The agenda from last week has been wiped off of the Wiki by Blondin. So if you want your agenda items discussed you will need to add them once more.
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How to edit the wiki agenda chart to add your agenda items.
The chart is difficult to work with so here is an explanation you can use to cut and paste into the agenda if you have any agenda items.
1. Go to
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Blondin_Linden's_Zindra_Office_Hour_Agenda
2. Sign in using your Second Life name and password.
3. Click the EDIT tab
4. Use the following lay-out to post your agenda item.
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|SUBJECT OF YOUR AGENDA ITEM || YOUR NAME || URL TO WEBSITE OR BLOG ABOUT SUBJECT ||JIRA # || IS THIS NEW OR OLD BUSINESS || EXPLAIN YOUR AGENDA ITEM || |-
add that before the final mark |} at the bottom of the chart
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WIKI MESSAGE FROM BLONDIN:
11:03] Blondin Linden: First thing I want to say is, i keep forgetting to deleted and update each week and thats my fault
[11:03] Blondin Linden: in terms of the agenda
[11:03] Blondin Linden: so after each meeting, I'm gunna take everything thats on there and delete it , re date it and let people fill in from there
[11:04] Blondin Linden: b/c I was jsut looking it over and it's getting pretty lengthy :)
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1. Flickr Slideshow Kiosk: report (Ginette)
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Up First, Flickr sliude show
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Sil was nice enough to join me while I planted them out on the Zindra infohubs
[11:05] Blondin Linden: things seem to be working well ya?
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: placesd at Podyan and Zindra sim
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2. Podyan / Zindra name switch (Ginette)
NOT ADDRESSED
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3. Art Maze: Next Steps (Ginette)
NOT ADDRESSED
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4. Zindra Mentor Team: Brainstorming Report (Ginette)
NOT ADDRESSED
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5. Age Verification Kiosks at InfoHubs (Colleen)
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6. Age Verify Wiki: update (Blondin)
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7. Guest Speakers (ForceMe)
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8. Secretary or No? (Blondin)
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9. Process of having Guest Speakers (ForceMe)
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10. BED FAIR Proposal (Lias)
NOT ADDRESSED - BACK ON THE AGENDA
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11. Naughty Snowman Proposal (Zindra Alliance)
[11:52] Blondin Linden: next item, moving from the bottom up still - The ZA's SNowman building contest
[11:52] Blondin Linden: was there an update from last week guys?
[11:52] Pagan Sunburn: no mopre megas?
[11:52] Ginette Pinazzo: I have a few thinsg to say abt it..haha
[11:52] Counter Landfall: there was an update sent to ZA
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we have issued a ticket in the support system about the sim texture and ice on the water
[11:53] Counter Landfall: and I need to have a discussion with you about practicalities around rezzing
[11:53] Forceme Silverspar: Is there a procedure to the Zindra sim to be dished out or is it grab it if ya got an idea?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we also drafted some rules, but not there yet
[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo: seesm ZA is palnning a month-long event on Zindra sim? did I get that right?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: yes Ginette
[11:54] Counter Landfall: so more detials next week
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: forgive mne quoting but.......
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: [11:51] Blondin Linden: so Counter, here is an idea. Have the snowman building contest and ask people to build on their land. Then, when you are ready to judge, we'll make it so we can place them all out on ZIndra
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: thats not a month-long event
[11:54] Counter Landfall: wahtever Ginette
[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:54] Counter Landfall: we want it to be a month
[11:54] Lias Leandros: a buld contest takes place on the build contest area - as usual
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: we dont have a Zindra sim events process yet......this is not appropriate...the way its being done
[11:55] Qie Niangao: oh, oh! important to ask: is LL planning an annual "Winter Faire" again as usual? And if so, can we link the snowman thing to it, as a kind of "fringe festival" ?
[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin...this system is being abused and I dotn see why anyone would take it seriosuly.....
[11:56] Blondin Linden: We are in fact planning a winterfest. More details in the December's Sandbox newsletter
[11:57] Counter Landfall: we will make a proper proposal for him, ok?
[11:57] Lias Leandros: Gientte sent out a 'proposal' to Counter to get him to allow her to be involvbed on a management level forthis event and when he turned her down she now sits here trying to degrade the event
[11:58] Blondin Linden: Well, how about next week we hear more from the ZA about what they want to do and decide from there
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12. Permanent bridge in the Distrel sim (Blondin)
[11:49] Counter Landfall: the idea is that it will connect the sims and not every exhibitor have to make a bridge
[11:50] Blondin Linden: fair enough.
[11:50] BBQBill Odriscoll: I like it
[11:50] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin.....is it even relevant...soem events may not need the bridge?
[11:50] Blondin Linden: Ill ask Micheal to see if he has soething in stock or if a Mole can do it
[11:50] Counter Landfall: great
[11:51] Blondin Linden: Ginette, if it becomes a problem, then I can always take the bridge temporarily and then put it back
[11:51] Ginette Pinazzo: makes sense
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13. Zindra unZipped EXPO proposal (Zindra Alliance)
[11:43] Blondin Linden: Next item is the Zindra Unziped
[11:44] Blondin Linden: this from the Zindra Alliance?
[11:44] Counter Landfall: no progress on content, just a reservation for the sim
[11:44] Counter Landfall: yes it is
[11:44] Blondin Linden: I'm going to ask that you do up a proposal
[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: if counter follows the actual Island Events proposal procedure, like anyone,
[11:44] Lias Leandros: please
[11:44] Lias Leandros: Ginette you didnt follow trhatstandard with your art maze
[11:44] colleen Criss: who created the events proposal procedure please?
[11:45] Ginette Pinazzo: Counter the guideliens or on the Island actually if you need them....or a NC I can pass
[11:45] Blondin Linden: it was discussed here
[11:45] Lias Leandros: thats nonsense
[11:45] Blondin Linden: and I took it back internally and we discussed
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and no one is agreeing that anyone on their production team has to be in SL for a year or they cant be on th eteam
[11:45] Lias Leandros: discusses is not agreed upon Blondin
[11:45] Counter Landfall: hand it to me and I will do the procedure, but not this week
[11:47] Blondin Linden: But - April is so far ahead of the game, the ZA wont have a problem reserving it
[11:48] Blondin Linden: Its not a form to fill out. THe point of it is to get those who are proposing an event to think about the details. Thats all.
[11:49] colleen Criss: but its on Ginettes site and not your wiki?
[11:49] Lias Leandros: and it was certainly NOT accepted as the procedure
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14. Flickr Group Content Standards (Ginette)
[11:43] Blondin Linden: I agree that some standards neeed to be put in place. Ill take a crack at this this week and come back with a draft
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15. Meetings & Transcripts (JeZeBeLe Dagger)
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: This is really a revisit of the topic of meeting minutes/.recaps etc and I share the frustration of Jeze and others. Long transcripts are not what most people have time for, and they are not a replacement for a simple recap. Last we left off, there was no official recap process except putting the recap on the agenda wiki, but that backfired. Resident-run groups, like ZA, were told they could pass recaps along in their groups, and thats great (if they are accurate), but the OH itself doesnt have an official recap procedure. Not yet.
[11:36] colleen Criss: if you want official it has to go to Blondins Wiki huh
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: wahtever we do, if its not coming from LL, Blondin, or an LL group, its not 'official'....simpel enough concept
[11:37] Lias Leandros: it des not have to be 'officia' Ginette
[11:37] Qie Niangao: honestly, ideally, Blondin himself would maintain a public record of decisions made, action items taken, topics completed.
[11:37] Lias Leandros: we arent employees
[11:37] Counter Landfall: why are you so hung up on official Ginette?
[11:38] Counter Landfall: :-)
[11:38] colleen Criss: official is YOUR word Ginette no one else uses it
[11:38] Zada Bury: the "wrap" was a useful thing
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: we all witnessed edits and even made-up material or destrcutive commentary in 'minutes' sent out in resident run groups.....thats not a replacement for anythng offcial
[11:38] Lias Leandros: pasting the exact chat from Blondin that is in the transcript seems fair
[11:38] Silvanus Northman: official means that it passes instances
[11:38] Lias Leandros: this way no words are changed
[11:38] Dancer Greenfield: I agree that the result protocol should come from a Linden (sorry Blondin) rather than one of us
[11:38] Kaddan Yue: because that is what matters it coming official
[11:38] Forceme Silverspar: When we want stuff from LL like their sims and stuff, there has to be some sort of official doesn't there?
[11:39] colleen Criss: I agree Ive had mine *edited* its wrong to do so
[11:39] Blondin Linden: Unfortuantely, I dont have the time to do that to the effect that most people want. I can try and jot down the action items on the wiki each week but I dont have the bandwidth to make full on reports available
[11:39] Lias Leandros: No Linden is going to sit down each week and go thru transcripst and find chat responses to specific questions
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: All we need is Agenda Item/Decision
[11:39] Lias Leandros: ts very easy to check back at the log from the trimestamp of teh wuote to make sure its correct
[11:39] Counter Landfall: why don't we appoint a secretary who publish the minutes and trnscrips
[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: action items / bullet points ar eprobably what everyone would need most anyway
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: Followed by the transcript
[11:40] Counter Landfall: and if there are errors, they get corrected at the next meeting
[11:40] Lias Leandros: we did that October 8th Counter
[11:40] Counter Landfall: pretty standard meeting procedure
[11:40] Counter Landfall: this is not government yet, or? ;-)
[11:40] BBQBill Odriscoll: First Yes. First item on the next agenda.
[11:40] Blondin Linden: ok. I'll try and do it this week. Take a look after we;re done here , on the wiki and let me know.
[11:41] Lias Leandros: on the October 8th Blondin and Counter dcided to have a Seretary posiytion in the ZA group and people could join that role and take turns doing exactly what Jezze just proposed this week
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: nio lias...thats ZA.....you were told you could pass recaps, but not the official secretary of ZE or LL
[11:42] Lias Leandros: its in the transcripts
[11:42] Counter Landfall: well it does not have to be someone in ZA, but I am happy to host that role of people want
[11:42] Lias Leandros: yes thats it Ginette
[11:42] Lias Leandros: All transcripts are posted
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: you read what you wanted to read, as suual...read it all
[11:42] Blondin Linden: and Lias, thats great for that group but what about htose who arent in it?
[11:42] Blondin Linden: anyway
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16. Zindra Survey (JeZeBeLe Dagger)
[11:27] Blondin Linden: sounds ok. ANy ideas on HOW to set it up?
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: in order to get surveys out to peoepl, you need an officlka distribution system
[11:27] Lias Leandros: anyone can survey
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: we are taking about getting info out continent-wide.....not abt more meetings
[11:27] Lias Leandros: there is no 'official' distribution available except just a survey machine you can buy off the Marketplace
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: Id encourage that you rethink the ZAP concept Blondin, sans the mentor angle....
[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: its a way to get all of these things going....
[11:28] Lias Leandros: just set up a survey machine HERE and other ley points and get folks to use them
[11:28] Lias Leandros: the data goes t a website
[11:28] Counter Landfall: well there is a fundamental problem in reaching all the residents
[11:29] Lias Leandros: Jezze can do that if she chooses since its her concept
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: 'getting folks' is the issue.....only small percebnt will even use those machines...thats not comprehensive
[11:29] Counter Landfall: we dont have any easy way of mapping them
[11:29] Qie Niangao: somebody has to decide what questions to even ask on such surveys.
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: door-to-door ambassadors are comprehensive and human
[11:29] Blondin Linden: what kind of information are you looking for?
[11:32] Qie Niangao: "events, current affairs, and mainland concerns" -- whatever those mean, in specifics.
[11:32] Blondin Linden: Id suggest Media on a prim but I know a lot fo you dont use viewer 2
[11:33] Blondin Linden: details need to be worked out but I think its a positive step
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17. Mediators and Moderators (JeZeBeLe Dagger)
[11:13] Blondin Linden: http://jezebelesrealm.blogspot.com/2010/11/agenda-items-proposal-for-zindra-oh.html
[11:17] Blondin Linden: well, one thing we do for Bay City is rotate the times of which we meeting. One week its 1pm the next its 4pm. Granted, I can get confused sometimes and forget the times. but thats one option
[11:19] Lias Leandros: Mental Mentors or Metors Gone Wild would be a good fit to take on such a role
[11:19] Blondin Linden: Yeah GInette, its kinda hard to do that. SOme people arent going to recognize others as a moderate and if asked to leave, will sort of just ignore them
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: seems even more apparent right NOW mediator(s) are needed..haha
[11:20] Blondin Linden: So its difficult.
[11:20] Lias Leandros: ask to leave? lol
[11:20] Lias Leandros: mediators dont kick people out, lol
[11:20] Lias Leandros: yu are looking for a bouncer [11:20] Silvanus Northman waves at Hypatia [11:21] Lias Leandros: mediation would not happen here at the meeting
[11:21] Arcadia Sweetwater: then the moderators should have a tag showing they are moderators and a notification of their powers would be in order [11:21] Blondin Linden: I think the best bet Ginette would be to find an additional time for this meeting and alternate it week to week
11:22] Lias Leandros: Blondin you want to change your meeting time each week?
[11:22] Lias Leandros: wut?
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: maybe
[11:22] Counter Landfall: the problem is that if you run the meetings very much later, Europe will miss them
[11:22] Blondin Linden: that way, we get more people involved who may not be able to, or want to attend this particual meeting
[11:22] Lias Leandros: if you change the set time then you confuse people
[11:23] Lias Leandros: if you have two meetings then you will be making decisions at one meeting and different decisions at the other
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes, and that will be more chaotic
[11:23] Dancer Greenfield: No time is perfect for everyone... people who want to be here but can't can at least send in their ideas in notecards
[11:24] Blondin Linden: no lias, its 1 meeting with two different times
[11:24] Lias Leandros: and two different audiences wth two different discussions
[11:24] BBQBill Odriscoll: I heard alternting times different weeks.
[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: that would be 'increasing the talent pool' in a way
[11:24] Blondin Linden: all the more reason to processes and documentation
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18. Adult Search/Classifed/Button Issues (Aprille Shepherd)
[11:09] Blondin Linden: it seems that its a problem with the 1.23 veiwer
[11:09] Lias Leandros: oh
[11:10] Blondin Linden: If you want to vote on it - feel free, but Im not sure that it's going to ge the attention that she wants b/c its not in any of the 2.0 Viewers.
[11:10] Lias Leandros: ok s if its only 1.23 then its a non -issue I guess
[11:10] Blondin Linden: im pretty sure that all work has stopped on 1.23
[11:10] Counter Landfall: well, since half the grid is still on a version 1 viewer it needs attention
[11:11] Lias Leandros: she will test it on 2.1 I assume and get back to us
[11:11] Qie Niangao: well, but it's not actually a viewer issue, inasmuch as it worked up until recently
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