[11:01] Arcadia Sweetwater: hi blondin
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Bunny Mileman gave you From Bunny about event posting.
[11:01] Blondin Linden: waiting for things to rez before I take a seat
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hope everyone had a nice wknd
[11:01] Blondin Linden: :)
[11:01] Zada Bury: the one left from Arcadia is empty
[11:01] Silvanus Northman: hope you too ^^
[11:02] A group member named Counter Landfall owned by the group 'Zindra Alliance' gave you Zindra Group Minutes November 7, 2010.
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: just sit on that nice cup of SL coffee! its rezzed!
[11:02] You decline Naughty Snowman from A group member named Counter Landfall.
[11:02] Qie Niangao: (Silvanus: Oh, it's a .swf... I'm on Linux so any flash I get is by chance)
[11:02] Blondin Linden: yeah, though I must admit Sundays are getting tough. Too much good tv on Sundays :)
[11:02] Arcadia Sweetwater: can i hav a catnip tea
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: ok : )
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: who watches tv anymore?
[11:02] Blondin Linden: i do!!
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: good to know, ty Qie for info : )
[11:02] Blondin Linden: we can start
[11:02] Blondin Linden: anywho
[11:03] Blondin Linden: First thing I want to say is, i keep forgetting to deleted and update each week and thats my fault
[11:03] Blondin Linden: in terms of the agenda
[11:03] Blondin Linden: so after each meeting, I'm gunna take everything thats on there and delete it , re date it and let people fill in from there
[11:04] Blondin Linden: b/c I was jsut looking it over and it's getting pretty lengthy :)
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: well, peoep do add things but deeleting old things is an issue, yes
[11:04] Blondin Linden: and Im not sure what from last week needs to be talked about again
[11:04] Blondin Linden: SO!
[11:04] Zada Bury: well ... these things can happen
[11:04] Lias Leandros: I deleted my old item already
[11:04] Blondin Linden: lets try and zip through the first few items pretty quickly
[11:04] Blondin Linden: we can do that b/c I dont have much to add :( wah
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Up First, Flickr sliude show
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Sil was nice enough to join me while I planted them out on the Zindra infohubs
[11:05] Blondin Linden: things seem to be working well ya?
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: placesd at Podyan and Zindra sim
[11:05] Blondin Linden: (looksa t Sil)
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: seems ok
[11:06] Blondin Linden: what I want to do next about that is put some sort of rule around posting
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: yes, I already made a new desing too, which will fit to the Info-Hubs ( I hope)
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: and to handle more easy, no more ownersay.....
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: then
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[11:06] Kaddan Yue: oops
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: already passed one to Gina
[11:06] Blondin Linden: just to keep it fair and easy to understand what to post and what not to
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: that item is far down the agenda Blondin.....content stanbdards I thinkm its caleld
[11:06] Blondin Linden: so Ill take a crack at that this week. Feel free to send ideas my way
[11:06] Blondin Linden: oh was it/!
[11:06] Blondin Linden: Apologies
[11:07] Blondin Linden: maybe we should start at the bottom and work our way up
[11:07] Blondin Linden: ?
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: that would be grossly unfair...haha
[11:07] Lias Leandros: sounds good
[11:07] Silvanus Northman: crossed transaction....
[11:07] Lias Leandros: its not unfair ginnette becaquse your 4 items never movbe from the top of the agenda
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: old business befroe new business.......meeting standard
[11:08] Lias Leandros: there are two new people with agenda items
[11:08] Blondin Linden: Ill start at the bottom this week and be sure to clear the agenda after this meeting.
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: ok..well standarsd are shot, I guess
[11:08] Counter Landfall: sounds good
[11:09] Blondin Linden: Dont worry Ginette. We'll get back to it next week . :)
[11:09] Blondin Linden: So There's a JIra Aprille wanted someone to look at
[11:09] Blondin Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-3246
[11:09] Blondin Linden: I took a look this morning
[11:09] Blondin Linden: it seems that its a problem with the 1.23 veiwer
[11:09] Lias Leandros: oh
[11:10] Blondin Linden: If you want to vote on it - feel free, but Im not sure that it's going to ge the attention that she wants b/c its not in any of the 2.0 Viewers.
[11:10] Zada Bury: Aprille wanted 4 or 5 times to look on >_<
[11:10] Lias Leandros: ok s if its only 1.23 then its a non -issue I guess
[11:10] Blondin Linden: im pretty sure that all work has stopped on 1.23
[11:10] Counter Landfall: well, since half the grid is still on a version 1 viewer it needs attention
[11:11] Lias Leandros: she will test it on 2.1 I assume and get back to us
[11:11] Qie Niangao: well, but it's not actually a viewer issue, inasmuch as it worked up until recently
[11:11] Lias Leandros: when are they no longer using 1.23 Blondin?
[11:11] Counter Landfall: or, you need to make an announcment telling everyone what the status is
[11:12] Blondin Linden: I dont know Lias. I think they are keeping it around until they are comfortable with how 2.x is preforming
[11:12] Blondin Linden: I havent heard one way or another
[11:12] Blondin Linden: Ok, moving on
[11:12] Blondin Linden: I see that Jezebel has some items
[11:12] Blondin Linden: is she here?
[11:12] Lias Leandros: no she cant be here
[11:12] Lias Leandros: but I helped her post
[11:12] Ginette Pinazzo: no....I can present for her iuf you want..or not
[11:12] Lias Leandros: oh ok
[11:13] Blondin Linden: um sure.
[11:13] Lias Leandros: Did you discuss it with her Ginette?
[11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: since we;re going backwars.....ok...Mediators?
[11:13] Blondin Linden: yep
[11:13] Blondin Linden: http://jezebelesrealm.blogspot.com/2010/11/agenda-items-proposal-for-zindra-oh.html
[11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Jeze and I talked for abouyt 2 hours
[11:13] Lias Leandros: ok
[11:13] Lias Leandros: I helped her get it set up this weekend
[11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: understands, Ill just relay the info and frame it as best I can..........
[11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: Mediators....
[11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: can soemone post the link relaly quick?
[11:14] Blondin Linden: http://jezebelesrealm.blogspot.com/2010/11/agenda-items-proposal-for-zindra-oh.html
[11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: I also share Jeze's concern. Bickering, arguing, 'power-plays' and dysfunction cost the ZE members, cost these meetings attendance and damage Zindra community. I spoke with Jeze and I encouraged her to create a more specific proposal for a solution. .......
[11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: A related issue which Jeze often mentions, is that people like her cannot attend these meetings, so a process needs to created to allow for inclusion for those people (the majority of Zindra residents). We need to increase the 'talent pool' here. I hope we see specific proposals about Mediation and about More Inclusion from Residents soon.
[11:15] Lias Leandros: Proposal: To establish a meeting scribe to professionally write the meeting agenda, followed by an addendum of updates as to who is commenting, suggesting, or proposing ideas. Transcripts are a poor method of saying "In agreement, agenda item, has been solved." To eliminate the abuse by having a posting etiquette guideline for the group. To moderate the meetings to stay on target.
[11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: FIN (I know its not much)
[11:15] Lias Leandros: thats the gist of it
[11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: no lias...we are talking abt the Mediators topic
[11:16] Lias Leandros: she seems to want a secretary role - and although that was agreedupon there is opposition so its not really being recognized
[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: I know Jeze has her 3 topics at the same link
[11:16] Lias Leandros: Proposal:
A group of advocates willing to help be the communication liaison for the individuals who have the schism. That are not currently spearheading any topic proposal or event for the Zindra expo. Giving more stewardship towards the group versus the back biting, and abuse. By virtue of also moderating the meetings and chat within the Expo group.
[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: can we stay on one topic ata tiem ploease: Mediators
[11:17] Lias Leandros: I suggest these peopel would exist in the Mentor group that works with Zindra
[11:17] Lias Leandros: once we get that arranged
[11:17] Blondin Linden: well, one thing we do for Bay City is rotate the times of which we meeting. One week its 1pm the next its 4pm. Granted, I can get confused sometimes and forget the times. but thats one option
[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: I see going backwards is not any better at these metings
[11:17] Counter Landfall: are we back on the path to make the ZE a community group again Ginette?
[11:18] Lias Leandros: I dontthink Jezze wanted that
[11:18] Counter Landfall: some of the things you mention should not even apply to an event group?
[11:18] Lias Leandros: those were Jezze's ideas
[11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin....do you have respoonse to the Mediators topic before we move on? Jezze is referring toi the dysfucntin within THESE meetinsg and the ripples that go ot from them
[11:18] Lias Leandros: and I think they can be aprt of the mentoring group in Zindra
[11:18] Counter Landfall: yes, but Ginette apply the iedas to the ZE group
[11:19] Lias Leandros: Jezze is referring to a body to deal with that
[11:19] Lias Leandros: ZE is a land management group
[11:19] Counter Landfall: probably more correct Lias
[11:19] Lias Leandros: Mental Mentors or Metors Gone Wild would be a good fit to take on such a role
[11:19] Blondin Linden: Yeah GInette, its kinda hard to do that. SOme people arent going to recognize others as a moderate and if asked to leave, will sort of just ignore them
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: seems even more apparent right NOW mediator(s) are needed..haha
[11:20] Blondin Linden: So its difficult.
[11:20] Lias Leandros: ask to leave? lol
[11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Blondin.....its diffcult
[11:20] Hypatia Darkstone: ze is a comunity group by default becaus it is a colection of comunity members so it functions as such
[11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: but Id encourage anyone (inclsuing Jeze) to write up a specific proposal for a way it might be done...there might be soemthing clever
[11:20] Lias Leandros: mediators dont kick people out, lol
[11:20] Lias Leandros: yu are looking for a bouncer
[11:20] Silvanus Northman waves at Hypatia
[11:21] Lias Leandros: mediation would not happen here at the meeting
[11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: there are peoepl who otn even come to these meetings because of the dysfunction...its toxic
[11:21] Lias Leandros: it would be an agreed upon meeting at some other time
[11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: Lias....a 'can-do' attitude would help
[11:21] Arcadia Sweetwater: then the moderators should have a tag showing they are moderators and a notification of their powers would be in order
[11:21] Blondin Linden: I think the best bet Ginette would be to find an additional time for this meeting and alternate it week to week
[11:21] Lias Leandros: I have no idea whatthatmeans
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[11:22] Lias Leandros: Blondin you want to change your meeting time each week?
[11:22] Lias Leandros: wut?
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: maybe
[11:22] Counter Landfall: the problem is that if you run the meetings very much later, Europe will miss them
[11:22] Blondin Linden: that way, we get more people involved who may not be able to, or want to attend this particual meeting
[11:22] Lias Leandros: if you change the set time then you confuse people
[11:23] BBQBill Odriscoll: There is no single good time. Alternating is a good option.
[11:23] Kaddan Yue: and right not most of US is at work
[11:23] Blondin Linden: well Counter, then Europeans would have THIS option
[11:23] BBQBill Odriscoll: Set them up for Eurpoe and AP loses
[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: conmfusion is an issue......teher si soemthing you should thjink about Blondin....if communication was better...peoepl woudlnt ZNEED to coem to meetings to know whats going on and get involved....jus saying
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ok, lets move on
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes it is difficutl
[11:23] Lias Leandros: if you have two meetings then you will be making decisions at one meeting and different decisions at the other
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes, and that will be more chaotic
[11:23] Dancer Greenfield: No time is perfect for everyone... people who want to be here but can't can at least send in their ideas in notecards
[11:23] Lias Leandros: I forsee issues with that happening
[11:24] Blondin Linden: no lias, its 1 meeting with two different times
[11:24] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed Dancer
[11:24] Lias Leandros: and two different audiences wth two different discussions
[11:24] BBQBill Odriscoll: I heard alternting times different weeks.
[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: that would be 'increasing the talent pool' in a way
[11:24] Blondin Linden: all the more reason to processes and documentation
[11:24] Blondin Linden: anywho, lets move on
[11:25] BBQBill Odriscoll: Correct Blondin
[11:25] BBQBill Odriscoll: And if you log the decisions and stick to agendas no one will see them again.
[11:25] Blondin Linden: Zindra Survey. Jezebel
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: ok...got it...
[11:25] Lias Leandros: Im not sure changing the time is the issue that Jezze was concerned about
[11:25] Counter Landfall: it was not
[11:25] Blondin Linden: it would give people who didnt want to come to this meeting another option
[11:25] Lias Leandros: Zindra Survey:
There is a lack of communication input from the variety of parcel and sim owners in Adult Mainland. These individuals are not represented at the OH Meetings. To provide a method of communication to those not plugged into the Expo group by personally greeting and delivering documentation about the goals of the group.
Proposal: To contact Zindra residents with information about the Zindra culture and begin networking processes to create interpersonal relationship in the form of networking by survey. To get an idea of what Zindrans want in the culture of Zindra. (In regards to events, current affairs, and mainland concerns). Giving the Zindra citizens a knowledge that the Zindra Expo group exists.
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: Jeze wantsa system where we can do surveys across continent......anotehr way for peoepl to get involcved......
[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: Jeze's idea is great and its one reason I keep talking about central communication (required to undertake these types of projects). I still believe that it's not a mentor issue at all, by the way, and I would continue to make the argument that a program like ZAP would be a simple first step towards this type of work.
[11:26] Silvanus Northman: it would be a step to show other ppl that they are welcome
[11:26] Lias Leandros: Counter has a meeting on Sunday at noon and there is one about the agenda on Saturdays at 11AM
[11:26] Lias Leandros: so there are options
[11:27] Blondin Linden: sounds ok. ANy ideas on HOW to set it up?
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: in order to get surveys out to peoepl, you need an officlka distribution system
[11:27] Lias Leandros: the Saturday meeting got us two more residents posting agenda items
[11:27] Lias Leandros: anyone can survey
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: we are taking about getting info out continent-wide.....not abt more meetings
[11:27] Lias Leandros: there is no 'official' distribution available except just a survey machine you can buy off the Marketplace
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: Id encourage that you rethink the ZAP concept Blondin, sans the mentor angle....
[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: its a way to get all of these things going....
[11:28] Lias Leandros: just set up a survey machine HERE and other ley points and get folks to use them
[11:28] Lias Leandros: the data goes t a website
[11:28] Counter Landfall: well there is a fundamental problem in reaching all the residents
[11:29] Lias Leandros: Jezze can do that if she chooses since its her concept
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: 'getting folks' is the issue.....only small percebnt will even use those machines...thats not comprehensive
[11:29] Counter Landfall: we dont have any easy way of mapping them
[11:29] Qie Niangao: somebody has to decide what questions to even ask on such surveys.
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: door-to-door ambassadors are comprehensive and human
[11:29] Lias Leandros: then they can use teh website once informed
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Qie...good point.....a survey would need to be created and approved
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[11:29] Lias Leandros: google gives a free survey site to anyone that wants to set it up
[11:29] Counter Landfall: I find that people typically dont want to use another website
[11:29] Counter Landfall: and it also breaks the immersion
[11:29] Blondin Linden: what kind of information are you looking for?
[11:30] Lias Leandros: lol no counter thats you, lol
[11:30] Lias Leandros: we use websites ten times a day
[11:30] Counter Landfall: yes it is me, but I have heard that a lot
[11:30] Counter Landfall: it is distracting
[11:30] Kaddan Yue: I agree with Counter
[11:30] BBQBill Odriscoll: I do too.
[11:30] Lias Leandros: Jezze would have to send over some survey questions for next week then
[11:31] Counter Landfall: sure, I'd like to see such a survey outline
[11:32] Blondin Linden: hm. Interesting. Im curious as to what kind of information she'd be after.
[11:32] Lias Leandros: Those of us , thousands of people in SL, use external websites to keep our scores, discuss our roles and update our status - so its not as taboo as some here feel it is.
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[11:32] Lias Leandros: SL would nto be where it is without external websites
[11:32] Counter Landfall: they do Lias, the problem is if you move too much outisde SL proer, there is no need to log in here
[11:32] Qie Niangao: "events, current affairs, and mainland concerns" -- whatever those mean, in specifics.
[11:32] Blondin Linden: Id suggest Media on a prim but I know a lot fo you dont use viewer 2
[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: I am sure Jeze can speak to this....but I am sure she was talking geenrally....just gettinga survey system in place....to get peopel more involved
[11:32] Counter Landfall: so it is intself distructive
[11:32] Silvanus Northman: back, wow that was a crash, sorry
[11:33] Blondin Linden: Ginette. I like the idea
[11:33] Arcadia Sweetwater: wb silver
[11:33] Lias Leandros: I belive she wanted to survey people to find out hat they want to get involved in
[11:33] Blondin Linden: details need to be worked out but I think its a positive step
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[11:34] Counter Landfall: so is it a survey for her business ideas?
[11:34] Counter Landfall: I guess there must be pelnty of general knowledge on the topic?
[11:34] Lias Leandros: we wont know until she send over her survey questions
[11:34] Blondin Linden: ok. Lets move on
[11:34] Blondin Linden: :)
[11:34] Counter Landfall: ... I cant type today
[11:34] Blondin Linden: Well discuss more next week
[11:34] Blondin Linden: Meetings & Transcripts
[11:35] Blondin Linden: another Jezebel
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: hello..I think this is more about a survey system at this point than specific questions......we shoudl concentrate on how best to get that system going....before we talk questions
[11:35] Blondin Linden: :)
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: ok this is an easy one from Jez...an old topic
[11:35] Lias Leandros: wellwe need specific questions for a survey to see if its worththe effort or not
[11:35] BBQBill Odriscoll: Its a capability Lias
[11:35] Counter Landfall: agreed Lias
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: This is really a revisit of the topic of meeting minutes/.recaps etc and I share the frustration of Jeze and others. Long transcripts are not what most people have time for, and they are not a replacement for a simple recap. Last we left off, there was no official recap process except putting the recap on the agenda wiki, but that backfired. Resident-run groups, like ZA, were told they could pass recaps along in their groups, and thats great (if they are accurate), but the OH itself doesnt have an official recap procedure. Not yet.
[11:35] Lias Leandros: I stillpst the transcripts and the answers for each question addressed from each week's meetings
[11:36] Lias Leandros: I send out THE WRAP on a notecard to Zindra Alliance each week
[11:36] colleen Criss: if you want official it has to go to Blondins Wiki huh
[11:36] Lias Leandros: its a short, comprehensive look at the agenda and teh answers
[11:36] Lias Leandros: hey colleen:-)
[11:36] Counter Landfall: I think the transcipts really help to clarify some issues at times - not always
[11:36] Lias Leandros: the wiki needs a second page then
[11:36] Dancer Greenfield: I think we can do both... a result protocol as the short version, and a full chat log for those who have the time to delve
[11:37] Counter Landfall: agreed Dancer
[11:37] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed
[11:37] Lias Leandros: I read teh entire transcript and pull out the answers from blondin
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: wahtever we do, if its not coming from LL, Blondin, or an LL group, its not 'official'....simpel enough concept
[11:37] Lias Leandros: it des not have to be 'officia' Ginette
[11:37] Qie Niangao: honestly, ideally, Blondin himself would maintain a public record of decisions made, action items taken, topics completed.
[11:37] Lias Leandros: we arent employees
[11:37] Counter Landfall: why are you so hung up on official Ginette?
[11:38] Counter Landfall: :-)
[11:38] colleen Criss: official is YOUR word Ginette no one else uses it
[11:38] Zada Bury: the "wrap" was a useful thing
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: we all witnessed edits and even made-up material or destrcutive commentary in 'minutes' sent out in resident run groups.....thats not a replacement for anythng offcial
[11:38] Lias Leandros: pasting the exact chat from Blondin that is in the transcript seems fair
[11:38] Silvanus Northman: official means that it passes instances
[11:38] Lias Leandros: this way no words are changed
[11:38] Dancer Greenfield: I agree that the result protocol should come from a Linden (sorry Blondin) rather than one of us
[11:38] Kaddan Yue: because that is what matters it coming official
[11:38] Forceme Silverspar: When we want stuff from LL like their sims and stuff, there has to be some sort of official doesn't there?
[11:39] colleen Criss: I agree Ive had mine *edited* its wrong to do so
[11:39] Blondin Linden: Unfortuantely, I dont have the time to do that to the effect that most people want. I can try and jot down the action items on the wiki each week but I dont have the bandwidth to make full on reports available
[11:39] Lias Leandros: No Linden is going to sit down each week and go thru transcripst and find chat responses to specific questions
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: All we need is Agenda Item/Decision
[11:39] Lias Leandros: ts very easy to check back at the log from the trimestamp of teh wuote to make sure its correct
[11:39] Counter Landfall: why don't we appoint a secretary who publish the minutes and trnscrips
[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: action items / bullet points ar eprobably what everyone would need most anyway
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: Followed by the transcript
[11:40] Counter Landfall: and if there are errors, they get corrected at the next meeting
[11:40] Lias Leandros: we did that October 8th Counter
[11:40] Counter Landfall: pretty standard meeting procedure
[11:40] Counter Landfall: this is not government yet, or? ;-)
[11:40] BBQBill Odriscoll: First Yes. First item on the next agenda.
[11:40] Blondin Linden: ok. I'll try and do it this week. Take a look after we;re done here , on the wiki and let me know.
[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: ok Blondin....hopefully it wont be backwarsd
[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: it is standard.....and we propsoed that but the wiki is the only solutin we recived...
[11:40] Dancer Greenfield: Good idea, Counter... one person writes a result protocol, and next week we can come back to it if anyone thinks it's been written wrong, based on the fill chat log
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[11:41] Dancer Greenfield: fill=full
[11:41] Zada Bury: really a secretary we haven't choose ... Ginette was starting to organise things well at the begin, where nobody wanted to use the Wiki.
[11:41] Lias Leandros: on the October 8th Blondin and Counter dcided to have a Seretary posiytion in the ZA group and people could join that role and take turns doing exactly what Jezze just proposed this week
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: nio lias...thats ZA.....you were told you could pass recaps, but not the official secretary of ZE or LL
[11:42] Lias Leandros: its in the transcripts
[11:42] Counter Landfall: well it does not have to be someone in ZA, but I am happy to host that role of people want
[11:42] Lias Leandros: yes thats it Ginette
[11:42] Lias Leandros: All transcripts are posted
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: you read what you wanted to read, as suual...read it all
[11:42] Blondin Linden: and Lias, thats great for that group but what about htose who arent in it?
[11:42] Blondin Linden: anyway
[11:42] Date Bar Infogiver: Andy Nkremos entered the defined area. (Adult Community Center <98.17384, 147.22760, 24.99209>)
[11:42] Blondin Linden: lets keep things moving
[11:42] Blondin Linden: Flickr Group Content Standards
[11:42] Forceme Silverspar: Bingo Blondin.
[11:42] Blondin Linden: I already mentioned this at the top of the hour
[11:42] Lias Leandros: Its an open enrollement group Blondin
[11:43] Forceme Silverspar: Means nothing.
[11:43] Lias Leandros: if someone wanted to be the secretary for the month then they would join for a month and do that
[11:43] Forceme Silverspar: Next item?
[11:43] Blondin Linden: I agree that some standards neeed to be put in place. Ill take a crack at this this week and come back with a draft
[11:43] Counter Landfall: all righty
[11:43] Ginette Pinazzo: Content Standards? fabulous
[11:43] BBQBill Odriscoll: Sounds good
[11:43] Lias Leandros: when one volunteers one needs to follow some protocol to follow the task description they volunteer for
[11:43] Qie Niangao: excellent
[11:43] Blondin Linden: Zindra unZipped EXPO proposal
[11:43] Blondin Linden: Next item is the Zindra Unziped
[11:44] Blondin Linden: this from the Zindra Alliance?
[11:44] colleen Criss: Im really interested in Aprille Shepherd , I know I was late did that get coverage yet?
[11:44] Counter Landfall: no progress on content, just a reservation for the sim
[11:44] Counter Landfall: yes it is
[11:44] Blondin Linden: I'm going to ask that you do up a proposal
[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: if counter follows the actual Island Events proposal procedure, like anyone,
[11:44] Lias Leandros: please
[11:44] Lias Leandros: Ginette you didnt follow trhatstandard with your art maze
[11:44] colleen Criss: who created the events proposal procedure please?
[11:45] Ginette Pinazzo: Counter the guideliens or on the Island actually if you need them....or a NC I can pass
[11:45] Blondin Linden: it was discussed here
[11:45] Lias Leandros: thats nonsense
[11:45] Blondin Linden: and I took it back internally and we discussed
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and no one is agreeing that anyone on their production team has to be in SL for a year or they cant be on th eteam
[11:45] Lias Leandros: discusses is not agreed upon Blondin
[11:45] Counter Landfall: hand it to me and I will do the procedure, but not this week
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and its no where but on her private site
[11:45] Lias Leandros: no one can see that
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and some of it is nonsense
[11:45] colleen Criss: so Blondin you want us all to follow Gunettere procedure ? but she didnt?
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and even she didnt follow it
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: nonsense? a lot of it was written by Blondin.....pay attention
[11:46] colleen Criss: ginette's * sorry
[11:46] Lias Leandros: its NONSENSE
[11:46] Forceme Silverspar: Yes she did.
[11:46] Lias Leandros: she had no timeline in place
[11:46] Counter Landfall: even Lindens may produce nonsense, hehe
[11:46] Lias Leandros: and was approved anyway
[11:46] Blondin Linden: I did have a say in how this was drafted
[11:46] colleen Criss: no she didnt she had no set time frame in her proposal till last weekk
[11:46] Blondin Linden: If you would like to use those regions, just take a look at this: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zexpo-island-seasonal-events-campaign
[11:46] Lias Leandros: I dont think you paid attention to that 'have to be in SL for a year' nonsens Blondin
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: and you know what? if you are going to continually try to smear and undermine every little thing, including an event we are woreking hard on......I dotn see the point in taking you seriosuly anymore.......I am here for positive reasons, like most poepel.......
[11:47] BBQBill Odriscoll: This isn't rocket science. If mistakes are made we will do better next time
[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin WROTE that lias...the one year criteria
[11:47] Lias Leandros: even mentors are only 6 months
[11:47] Blondin Linden: But - April is so far ahead of the game, the ZA wont have a problem reserving it
[11:47] Lias Leandros: nooo
[11:47] Counter Landfall: I just live this. I get a Adult Content Warning from google opening that linke :-))))
[11:47] Aprille Shepherd: ^^
[11:47] Lias Leandros: My secretary does not need tobe here for a year to send out notecards for me
[11:47] Forceme Silverspar: And if it is Blondin's sims, then Blondin has the right to set out what he wants in terms of paper work. Quit arguing and fighting with him, do the procedure that mostly he has written.
[11:47] Qie Niangao: Fine, whatever. Let's get somebody to fill in the form, before it turns into an ERP application. Is there any reason that the proposal wouldn't be accepted?
[11:47] Lias Leandros: its not Blondin's sims
[11:48] Forceme Silverspar: Whose are they then?
[11:48] Counter Landfall: ok, lets move to the enxt topic
[11:48] Kaddan Yue: he works for LL
[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Qie...there are many reasons.....if the criteria are not met, obviously
[11:48] Lias Leandros: Linden Lab
[11:48] Kaddan Yue: so let's keep it moving
[11:48] Blondin Linden: Its not a form to fill out. THe point of it is to get those who are proposing an event to think about the details. Thats all.
[11:48] Lias Leandros: and I work for NYC - DO I own Central Park?
[11:48] colleen Criss: did you write this proposal Blondin? the proceedure?
[11:48] Forceme Silverspar: They are four LL sims. Blondin is their rep here.
[11:48] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed Counter. Move on.
[11:48] Blondin Linden: yes Colleen, I had a hand in it
[11:49] Blondin Linden: Moving on
[11:49] BBQBill Odriscoll: Ginette wrote a proposal with Blondin's help. It may not have been perfect.
[11:49] Blondin Linden: Permanent bridge in the Distrel sim
[11:49] BBQBill Odriscoll: Move on
[11:49] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:49] Ginette Pinazzo: tell us about the bridge!
[11:49] Counter Landfall: that would help
[11:49] colleen Criss: but its on Ginettes site and not your wiki?
[11:49] Lias Leandros: and it was certainly NOT accepted as the procedure
[11:49] Blondin Linden: how so Counter?
[11:49] Lias Leandros: it was just removed from the agenda and never adressed again
[11:49] Counter Landfall: the idea is that it will connect the sims and not every exhibitor have to make a bridge
[11:50] Blondin Linden: fair enough.
[11:50] BBQBill Odriscoll: I like it
[11:50] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin.....is it even relevant...soem events may not need the bridge?
[11:50] Pagan Sunburn: hello Mr. Linden
[11:50] Blondin Linden: Ill ask Micheal to see if he has soething in stock or if a Mole can do it
[11:50] Counter Landfall: great
[11:50] Dancer Greenfield: A bridge is good, whether it's being used or not
[11:51] Qie Niangao: (note that it will use prims that then won't be available for event content... not that I think that would ever be an issue, in practice)
[11:51] BBQBill Odriscoll: I don't see any harm in it.
[11:51] Lias Leandros: will we fall thru on sim crossing?>
[11:51] Blondin Linden: Ginette, if it becomes a problem, then I can always take the bridge temporarily and then put it back
[11:51] Ginette Pinazzo: makes sense
[11:51] Dancer Greenfield: It doesn't have to be a beautifully crafted 500 prim bridge :)
[11:51] Hypatia Darkstone: the moles like high prim i noticed
[11:51] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed Dancer
[11:51] Forceme Silverspar grins, Aww shame ㋡
[11:51] Counter Landfall: but now we soon have mesh
[11:52] BBQBill Odriscoll: Heh heh...
[11:52] Lias Leandros: Moles have Gove Linden Land prims to use
[11:52] Zada Bury: to bad, Big-prims are a no-no
[11:52] Blondin Linden: next item, moving from the bottom up still - The ZA's SNowman building contest
[11:52] Blondin Linden: was there an update from last week guys?
[11:52] Pagan Sunburn: no mopre megas?
[11:52] Ginette Pinazzo: I have a few thinsg to say abt it..haha
[11:52] Counter Landfall: there was an update sent to ZA
[11:52] Pagan Sunburn: *more
[11:52] Lias Leandros: we met Sunday and planned some stuff
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we have issued a ticket in the support system about the sim texture and ice on the water
[11:53] Counter Landfall: and I need to have a discussion with you about practicalities around rezzing
[11:53] Hypatia Darkstone: actuly arnt we gettin megs wit mesh when it finaly arives
[11:53] Forceme Silverspar: Is there a procedure to the Zindra sim to be dished out or is it grab it if ya got an idea?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we also drafted some rules, but not there yet
[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo: seesm ZA is palnning a month-long event on Zindra sim? did I get that right?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: yes Ginette
[11:54] Counter Landfall: so more detials next week
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: forgive mne quoting but.......
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: [11:51] Blondin Linden: so Counter, here is an idea. Have the snowman building contest and ask people to build on their land. Then, when you are ready to judge, we'll make it so we can place them all out on ZIndra
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: thats not a month-long event
[11:54] Counter Landfall: wahtever Ginette
[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:54] Counter Landfall: we want it to be a month
[11:54] Lias Leandros: a buld contest takes place on the build contest area - as usual
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: we dont have a Zindra sim events process yet......this is not appropriate...the way its being done
[11:55] Qie Niangao: oh, oh! important to ask: is LL planning an annual "Winter Faire" again as usual? And if so, can we link the snowman thing to it, as a kind of "fringe festival" ?
[11:55] Silvanus Northman: btw counter, why does your event-pic show a kid infront of a gay snowman - isnt childplay forbidden?
[11:55] Lias Leandros: we dont need your process Ginette - just going to build snowmwen and delete them in January
[11:55] Counter Landfall: it is not the event pic
[11:55] Lias Leandros: Sil you're realy desperate now
[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin...this system is being abused and I dotn see why anyone would take it seriosuly.....
[11:55] Counter Landfall: it was to create ideas
[11:55] colleen Criss: abused
[11:55] Silvanus Northman: ok so seems to be an uups
[11:56] colleen Criss: it was Blondin who told him to use zondra sim
[11:56] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin? No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:56] Silvanus Northman: could be missunderstood...
[11:56] Counter Landfall: and gay is not adult where I live
[11:56] Blondin Linden: We are in fact planning a winterfest. More details in the December's Sandbox newsletter
[11:56] colleen Criss: Zindra*
[11:56] Counter Landfall: gays can marry on equal terms with everyone else
[11:56] Lias Leandros: Ginette why are trying so hard to block a snowman build contest on an island that you arent even using when you have been given 4 sims for free to use and you didnt follow any protocol to get them?
[11:56] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin, did ya see my question please?
[11:56] Ginette Pinazzo: Bl0ondin said you coudol rez snowmen for judging....thats not a month lojg 'Snowman Unzipped'....you are taking advatage of a public space
[11:56] Silvanus Northman: thats good wish it would be here same too Counter, just the boy was surprising me
[11:57] colleen Criss: why do you care?
[11:57] Counter Landfall: Ginette stop wordsmithing Blondin.
[11:57] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin... not sure if the schedule overlaps... but would be really good to have *something* Zinda-related connected to Winterfest
[11:57] colleen Criss: its on zindra not your sims
[11:57] colleen Criss: lol
[11:57] Counter Landfall: we will make a proper proposal for him, ok?
[11:57] Forceme Silverspar: lol it's not yours either. lol lol lol
[11:57] BBQBill Odriscoll: We are learning how to do this.
[11:57] BBQBill Odriscoll: Procedure is new
[11:57] Counter Landfall: and we will not allow depiction of children in the venue
[11:57] Lias Leandros: Gientte sent out a 'proposal' to Counter to get him to allow her to be involvbed on a management level forthis event and when he turned her down she now sits here trying to degrade the event
[11:58] Blondin Linden: Well, how about next week we hear more from the ZA about what they want to do and decide from there
[11:58] BBQBill Odriscoll: Let's cut some slack. Conuter said he will do a proposal
[11:58] Counter Landfall: not turned her down
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: thats not5 true Liass....never lie in public liek that or misrepresent
[11:58] BBQBill Odriscoll: That works for me.
[11:58] Lias Leandros: I have that on a website if you want to chek it out
[11:58] Counter Landfall: we dont have to do it here
[11:58] Blondin Linden: and I wanted to mention the Wiki and the stuff about Adult content
[11:58] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin, shall I post my question a fourth time? No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:58] Counter Landfall: she can participate in the planning meetings
[11:58] Kaddan Yue: why is this getting personal, have we finished the agenda stuff
[11:58] Blondin Linden: we only have a minutes left
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: I have no interest in degarding....I in fact have a positive solution....but Ive been spit in the face when I mewntione dit
[11:58] Counter Landfall: it is just liek we XA will not get involved in her femdom events
[11:59] Blondin Linden: I've tried to update all the wiki pages the best I could. If you have the time, take a look through the pages and let me know if something is outdated. I ahve the ability to correct it
[11:59] Counter Landfall: accepts that this is a ZA led event open for everyone?
[11:59] Zada Bury: oh ... before you hide that fast out: "See you next week and thank you, Blondin"
[11:59] Lias Leandros: a snowman build does not need a positive solution
[11:59] Lias Leandros: its all set
[11:59] Blondin Linden: ok all
[11:59] Blondin Linden: I do have to go
[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo: thankjs Blondin
[11:59] Silvanus Northman: we'll do , I will look
[11:59] Blondin Linden: tyl
[11:59] Silvanus Northman: ty Blondin
[11:59] Zada Bury: *purrs*
[11:59] Silvanus Northman: tc : )
[11:59] Pagan Sunburn: Mr. Linden, can I please talk to you in IM?
[11:59] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin
[11:59] Kira Welty: Take care Blondin
[11:59] Redlag Mayo: bye
[11:59] Counter Landfall: cheers
[11:59] BBQBill Odriscoll: Take care Blondin
[12:00] Dancer Greenfield: Bye Blondin, thanks for your time
[12:00] Silvanus Northman: Hi Pagan
[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo: sorry yoru question never got answered Force...but I think we know the answer
[12:00] Forceme Silverspar: What it is?
[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao....enjoy the chaos...backwars meetings! whew!
[12:00] Forceme Silverspar: I am easy either way, I just like to know what the rule is.
[12:00] colleen Criss: Blondin went backwards?
[12:01] colleen Criss: well gee it is his OH guess he can
[12:01] Lias Leandros: yes
[12:01] Lias Leandros: we cant discuss your 4 agenda utems each week Gientte
[12:01] Dancer Greenfield: I'm sure Blondin had a reason for Blondin going through the agenda backwards
[12:01] BBQBill Odriscoll: Forceme, let's assume paperwork is needed. Counter already said he will do it.
[12:01] Lias Leandros: enough of the Ginette government design meeting
[12:01] Ginette Pinazzo: sdrawkcab tnew nidnolB
[12:01] BBQBill Odriscoll: Let's do it right.
[12:01] Forceme Silverspar: Arh good, I am excited about the snowman project.
[12:01] Hypatia Darkstone: going back ward ,wonder what th hiden messages is :))
[12:01] Counter Landfall: will do paperwork for the unzipped Expo, not for the snowman
[12:01] Lias Leandros: BBQBill there is no 'right' its just getting Blondfin to agree and thats it
[12:02] Counter Landfall: that is a done deal
[12:02] Counter Landfall: accept it
[12:02] Forceme Silverspar: Oh... no paper for snowman?
[12:02] Lias Leandros: there is no procedure and there does nothave to be one for a snowman build contest
[12:02] Lias Leandros: red tape and nonsense
[12:02] Counter Landfall: no Forceme
[12:02] Ginette Pinazzo: BBQ....a long tiemj ago, it was decided by Blondin wed have a process for getting evetns at that Sim......maybe......but we never did it yet.....I can explain it to you later...soem have forgotten it seems
[12:02] Forceme Silverspar: What if Blondin insists?
[12:02] Counter Landfall: he wont
[12:02] Forceme Silverspar: WHat if you don't get it without it?
[12:02] Counter Landfall: he does not have time for bullshit
[12:03] Forceme Silverspar: Arh OK.
[12:03] colleen Criss: he was told already to do it last week
[12:03] colleen Criss: end of story
[12:03] Lias Leandros: Ginette didnt follwo that process
[12:03] Lias Leandros: so its moot
[12:03] BBQBill Odriscoll: If we are to be a community we have to have some organization and standards, otherwise we are just weilding influence
[12:03] Ginette Pinazzo: lie again lias ...why dotn you?
[12:03] colleen Criss: good point BBQ
[12:03] Lias Leandros: anyone can propose anything BBQ
[12:03] Lias Leandros: thats fair
[12:03] Forceme Silverspar: She did but I ain't wasting my brath arguing with you Lias.
[12:03] Ginette Pinazzo: yes BBQ......organisation is what will save us
[12:03] Forceme Silverspar: Brath!!? What's that!
[12:03] BBQBill Odriscoll: Rules need to be set and followed, even if Blondin dometimes overlooks them,
[12:03] Lias Leandros: last week she decuded t choose a date for her event
[12:04] Qie Niangao: look, if the 4-sims long-duration events need heavy process, fine... but we gotta have somewhere with quick turn-around. When did LL suddenly become frikkin' IBM?
[12:04] Ginette Pinazzo: ugh...I am off....enjoy the show
[12:04] Lias Leandros: her 'guidelines' state you have to have that in place before approval
[12:04] Lias Leandros: and she was approved with out that
[12:04] Counter Landfall: the procedure is for the 4 sims
[12:04] Forceme Silverspar: Ok, I will leave you all to ya words... bye bye! Have a good week everyone and take care of each other.
[12:04] Lias Leandros: so she did not follow the guidelines
[12:04] colleen Criss: but Guna doesnt get to be the head of all organized events on this contintent
[12:04] Counter Landfall: we made a deal with Blondin over the Zindra sim
[12:04] Counter Landfall: accept it
[12:04] Lias Leandros: exactly
[12:04] Ginette Pinazzo: way to be helpful coleen...really...ciao
[12:04] colleen Criss: Im very helpful
[12:05] Lias Leandros: and the person that got granted 4 sims with no ptotocol wants to block a one sim snowman build
[12:05] BBQBill Odriscoll: So let it go. We don't need a rubber stamp, we need to agree as a community.
[12:05] BBQBill Odriscoll: Arguments are a waste of time
[12:05] Lias Leandros: Fillibustering in November to block a snowman build contest is just wrong
[12:05] colleen Criss: tons ofava tars n this contenient with great ideas and they dont need Ginette to bring them to fruition
[12:05] BBQBill Odriscoll: Gina, do you want to block the snowman build?
[12:06] Counter Landfall: particularly because it does not block the use of the 4 sims
[12:06] BBQBill Odriscoll: The snowman build sounds like a good thing.
[12:06] colleen Criss: it sure is
[12:06] colleen Criss: and will be fun
[12:06] Lias Leandros: blobking it is just a power play
[12:06] BBQBill Odriscoll: The arguments are about organization and procedure
[12:06] Lias Leandros: no they are not
[12:06] Lias Leandros: because they are hypocritical
[12:06] BBQBill Odriscoll: Whatthen?
[12:07] Lias Leandros: power play
[12:07] BBQBill Odriscoll: Look, if we agree on a procedure and floow it,
[12:07] Counter Landfall: Ginette wants ZE to be THE community group
[12:07] colleen Criss: Blondin ok'd it already its now up to Counter and his staff to bring it to life
[12:07] BBQBill Odriscoll: There is no power play, just process.
[12:07] Lias Leandros: its too late in the season to throw up some phony 'procedure'
[12:07] Zada Bury: *pokes Arcadia and Pagan* back to business, you two
[12:07] Lias Leandros: its a snowman build
[12:07] Counter Landfall: anything she can do to throw a spanner itnot other such grousp, she will do
[12:07] Lias Leandros: on the sim of Zindra
[12:07] BBQBill Odriscoll: So, does a proposal hurt anything? It communicates what you are doing.
[12:07] You decline Manhattan City New York, Harlem from A group member named KittyKatt Carlucci.
[12:08] Lias Leandros: its already approved
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: Write the proposal and be done.
[12:08] Lias Leandros: next time BBQ
[12:08] Counter Landfall: it is approved
[12:08] Lias Leandros: we promise
[12:08] colleen Criss: process was this Counter asked Blondin said yes end of story
[12:08] Counter Landfall: it is very simple
[12:08] Arcadia Sweetwater blows kisses and disapears in a puff of catnip
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: So, it communicates what you are doing to the community
[12:08] Silvanus Northman: bye arcadia : )
[12:08] Counter Landfall: you dont need a project paln ten pages for this
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: Take care
[12:08] Qie Niangao: You know, what these meetings really need is more attention to procedure. Why, I bet a true parliamentarian could prevent absolutely *anything* from getting done.
[12:08] Zada Bury: *waves around* see you all next week... or sunday ... or so.
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: No. Agreed
[12:08] Counter Landfall: we need some practical arrangements and a few good people to make it happen
[12:08] Qie Niangao: have fun folks.
[12:08] Lias Leandros: He will answer any questions here and on Sunday about this ultra complex snowman build
[12:08] colleen Criss: this is OH NOT government
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: Take care
[12:09] BBQBill Odriscoll: This is not even close to parlimentary procedure.
[12:09] Counter Landfall: it is not
[12:09] Counter Landfall: even though some peole seem to think it is
[12:09] Counter Landfall: very true
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