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Monday, November 29, 2010
TRANSCRIPT for the November 29th 2010 Community Meeting with Blondin
[10:53] Qie Niangao: Agenda notwithstanding, I'd like to ask a quick yes-or-no question: Will there be some special content filtering ability to prevent the 16- and 17-year olds from seeing and interacting with non-General-rated content on adjacent, Adult- or Mature-rated sims? (I don't want to spend time discussing details, I just think it's a burning question for many.)
[10:54] colleen Criss: I vote no
[10:54] colleen Criss: hello Hypatia
[10:55] Hypatia Meili: Hi everyone
[10:55] Qie Niangao: Hi Hypatia
[10:55] Lias Leandros: well I a not sure that is an agenda concern Qie
[10:55] Lias Leandros: Hi Hypatia
[10:55] colleen Criss: its not on agenda
[10:55] Lias Leandros: its not a Zindra concern I meant
[10:55] colleen Criss: and will not be solved in this OH
[10:56] Lias Leandros: 'begging Linden Lab to further isolate us from the consumers does not sound like we are going in the right direction
[10:56] Lias~ AKEYO_PowerAO_PricelessGirl-SloMo_HUD (v 1.9): Typing override: Off
[10:56] Lias~ AKEYO_PowerAO_PricelessGirl-SloMo_HUD (v 1.9): Sit anywhere: On
[10:56] Qie Niangao: Well, that's just it: it's not on the agenda. but if folks don't want me to ask it, I won't ask it. It's very tangentially related to Zindra, inasmuch as, at present, Adult sims on Estates can have General sims adjacent... so could in theory set up Shared Media peep shows for the youngsters, across the sim border.
[10:56] Hypatia Meili: further isolate? dont know what your discusing bu that does not sound good
[10:57] colleen Criss: Q Id take those concerns directly to the LAB
[10:57] Lias Leandros: But Qie, we dont represent parent groups
[10:57] colleen Criss: thats thier baby
[10:57] Lias Leandros: what do we care if teens see porn in SL?
[10:57] colleen Criss: as we see we wont change thier minds on it but good luck
[10:57] Qie Niangao: we care because it's something the Estates can do that Zindra can't
[10:58] Qie Niangao: unless the estates *can't*
[10:58] Lias Leandros: So crippling estates to the level that we are crippled wont help us
[10:58] colleen Criss: they can go to A and age verified for an extra safety measure now but thats about it and NOT a solution
[10:58] Silvanus Northman: Hi all together
[10:58] Qie Niangao: okay, fuck it then.
[10:59] colleen Criss: hello Sil, Bady
[10:59] Bady Boozehound: Hello party people !
[11:00] Zada Bury: greetings around
[11:00] Hypatia Meili: both curent vefication methods suck , but i would recomend blocking one or th other or requiring both
[11:00] colleen Criss: hello Zada
[11:00] Lias Leandros: It's hard to cover the first agenda item aboutthe Holiday Message from the Zindra SIm if Counter is not here since he is th eone approved to develop the Holiday ebent on ZIndra this year
[11:00] Qie Niangao: kind of out of lead time for that event, seems to me
[11:00] Silvanus Northman: Hi Blondin
[11:00] Hypatia Meili: might as well close down then
[11:00] Qie Niangao: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: he has not been approved because he did not do a proposal....anywya. the agenda item stands
[11:01] Hypatia Meili: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Blonmdin
[11:01] Lias Leandros: he has been approved
[11:01] colleen Criss: hello Blondin
[11:01] Lias Leandros: period
[11:01] Lias Leandros: and you cannot just say you will now develop a holiday messaage on the sim of Zindra because you wantto
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: ni lias...wromg again..read the wiki
[11:01] colleen Criss: shall we dig up the text of Blondin telling him he was approved for the event Gina?
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hi all. Looks like Im walking into the middle of it!
[11:01] colleen Criss: it exists
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: you dotn even know my message yet so relax
[11:02] Lias Leandros: You ghave no right to make one for the sim of Zindra
[11:02] colleen Criss: ok lets get to this huh
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: whatever.....how was yoru holiday Blondin?
[11:02] Lias Leandros: you are pouncing on Counter's small event
[11:02] Blondin Linden: well lets get started
[11:02] Lias Leandros: when you should be concenbtrating on your large event
[11:03] Hypatia Meili: can i ask if you will be at your other OH this week?
[11:03] Blondin Linden: Im gunna work right down the list since I didnt update it last week due to my canceling the OH
[11:03] Zada Bury: So, how are you this week, Blondin?
[11:03] Zada Bury: heya Blondin.#
[11:03] Blondin Linden: Yeah I think so Hypa
[11:03] Hypatia Meili: ok :)
[11:03] Blondin Linden: 1) Zindra Sim Holiday Message
[11:03] Ginette Pinazzo: we are finally reaching out across Zindra and beyond.....we need ot keep this meetings professional......one agenda item ata time
[11:03] Ginette Pinazzo: ok Im ready with my message
[11:03] Ginette Pinazzo: its hort.......
[11:03] Blondin Linden: Is this still an issue? Was it time sensitive for Thanksgiving?
[11:03] Ginette Pinazzo: *short!
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: Originally my message was more complex, because of the Zindar Sim issue etc. But as its practically December already, time to plan anything is almost nonexistant......so here is my very simplified message.....
[11:04] Lias Leandros: unbelievable
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: I suggest we set aside one of these Monday OH meetings as a Holiday party.....(pick a date) ........no meeting...no agenda...just a party...but Blondin will still need to show up!............
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: I think the group needs this cheer after all the drama and crisis. I think for many people, these OH meetings are a chore and very unpleasant, and many of us would love a chance to relax and try to reconnect as friends or make new friends......
[11:04] Qie Niangao: Blondin, I think it just has to be ready to go by the time Winterfest starts.
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: A chance to 'unwind' and celebrate the progress we have made and to think positively about next year. .......
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: FIN
[11:06] Qie Niangao: That's fine, Ginette, just has nothing to do with the agenda topic. So, I presume we're still on for the snowman contest, once Counter gets back.
[11:06] Blondin Linden: I think a party sounds nice :) Maybe we should hear from the ZA and see what they had in mind for the snowman building contest. I know they wanted it to be a bit more involved than just that.
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: no Qie..that IS my agenda topic
[11:06] Blondin Linden: and then tie the party into that
[11:07] Qie Niangao: Okay, that's fine then. I assume Counter has his plans underway.
[11:07] Lias Leandros: I will suugest a 'grab bag' script to Counter - where we all can drop gifts and then people can touch and randomly receive a 'present'
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: its already Dec, bascially...and counter has said he wont doa proposal for the snowman contest...at last meeting anyway
[11:07] Lias Leandros: like those dumsters
[11:07] Blondin Linden: lets wait and see what Counter and the ZA have pulled togehter.
[11:07] Lias Leandros: OK
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: all I am saying is that we do one of these Monday meetings as a simple party
[11:07] colleen Criss: believes Blondin did not require one
[11:08] Qie Niangao: Thanks. Blondin.
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: read the wiki colleen
[11:08] Blondin Linden: what do people think about that? setting aside a meeting in 2 weeks for a party?
[11:08] colleen Criss: again I do not recall Blondin asking for one
[11:08] Lias Leandros: Ginette how about using the grab bag idea where we all drop a gift and get a gift?
[11:08] Blondin Linden: ie - no agenda, just dancing
[11:08] colleen Criss: this has nothing to do with the islands
[11:08] Lias Leandros: oh
[11:09] Qie Niangao: Sounds good to me, Blondin... or maybe a little later, depending on your schedule, to coincide with the Winterfest stuff.
[11:09] Lias Leandros: I thought that agenda item mentioned the sim of ZIndra - I apoligize
[11:09] Ginette Pinazzo: I thinka simple party for this group would help.......dancing, drinking, etc
[11:09] Lias Leandros: what about the grab bag Ginette?
[11:09] colleen Criss: Id contribute to a grab bag its a nice idea
[11:10] Lias Leandros: Ginette refuses to acknowledge me
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: a grab bag for a party here? why not
[11:10] Lias Leandros: next agenda item then please
[11:10] Blondin Linden: Ok. So how about MOnday the 10th - instead of an OH here, we meet over on Zindra or somewhere, set some music and have a party
[11:10] Lias Leandros: so just give Blondin the grab bag and he can drop it here
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin...are you interested in thsi idea..to choose a OH date to have a party?
[11:11] Blondin Linden: I'll turn Rez on so it'll BYOP (Bring your own Prims)
[11:11] Ginette Pinazzo: (marks calendar)..soudsn good to me
[11:11] Lias Leandros: then we can fill it at each meeting until the day its available to take stuff from it
[11:11] Silvanus Northman: : )
[11:11] colleen Criss: I can make a santa bag for it
[11:12] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin., my ORIGINAL holiday message DID relate to the Zindra Sim etc ...but as counter never proposed..thats why I simplfied the message...if he IS still trying to move forward, I will wanmt to amke that full message anotehr time
[11:12] Blondin Linden: So the next item is on there 2X
[11:12] Blondin Linden: 2) Zindra Expo Group Charte
[11:12] Blondin Linden: So I took a look at both GInette's and Lias' suggestions.
[11:12] Ginette Pinazzo: A few weeks ago, I presented an updated charter for the Zindra Expo group, written in conjunction with about 12 other members......
[11:13] Lias Leandros: and it was not good
[11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: thsat is your opinion Lias.....many otehrs disagree with you
[11:13] Blondin Linden: Ginette's felt a little too community based/driven for what I had in mind and Lias' sounded a little....sterile? perhaps? Im not sure. Just kinda technical. So I kinda tried to merge the two
[11:13] Lias Leandros: There is no Linden run resident volunteer program on the grid anymore
[11:13] colleen Criss: listens to Blondin
[11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: lias...your opinion is biased as youve been acvtively trying to diminish this group and even troll it to get peoepl to switch over tyo ZA....public record
[11:14] Blondin Linden: Zindra Expo is a group for residents to join as they plan and host events on the Expo Island, found at the four corners of Distrel, Girenzi, Jaraded and Tramboyn. The purpose of the group is to 1) grant temporary land rights to Residents working
[11:14] Blondin Linden: on approved events using the land and 2) act as a communication tool for the dispersal of information. Please feel free to join the group to get updates on and to participate in Zindra events.
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[11:14] Qie Niangao: Sounds good to me.
[11:14] Blondin Linden: ...thoughts?
[11:14] colleen Criss: stop you 2p lease or cryng outloud
[11:15] Lias Leandros: sterile= clear that it is not to be used for residents to recruit residents in order to send out their personal take on Zindra community issues
[11:15] Zada Bury: the merge sounds good
[11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: I think its far too limiiting, Blondin....and will become a real nightmare later
[11:15] Lias Leandros: ZINDRA EVENTS
[11:15] Bady Boozehound: If it fits in the group charter^^ Agreed.
[11:15] colleen Criss: works great
[11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: bhut its yoru group, Blondin
[11:15] Lias Leandros: Events on Linden owned Land
[11:15] Blondin Linden: I took a look at the group charter as it curretly stands
[11:15] Lias Leandros: not just Zindra events
[11:16] Blondin Linden: and its just the next event and the slurls for my OH
[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: teh charter is outdated anyway....
[11:16] Hypatia Meili: sounds to me like what has been going on in the group share news and events
[11:16] Lias Leandros: share news and events for things that happen on Linden owned land
[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: tyhis group can and already ahs doen more than just zexpo iusland events....limiting it is what ZA members want and wil limit all progress
[11:16] Hypatia Meili: you know regardless unles blondin expresly forbids it expo group wil still funbction as a defacto comunity group be cause it is fulof comunity members
[11:16] Qie Niangao: Lias? You mean Linden events on other continents?
[11:16] Lias Leandros: not resident owned land in Zindra
[11:17] Lias Leandros: if you just state ZINDRA EVENTS it will be exploited and presented to people as THE event group for Zindra
[11:17] Silvanus Northman: I think the message should say that this group is a place to speak and plan together with Linden
[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: I urge to reconsider this limiting charter, Blondin
[11:17] Silvanus Northman: in less and clear words
[11:17] colleen Criss: agrees on that point Lias
[11:17] Lias Leandros: and as Ginette likes to say - it will be presented as the TRUSTED ZIndra event group because it is owned by a Linden
[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Silvanus...we hav real opportunity here........that wont be possible with a limited charter
[11:17] Bady Boozehound: Though i think 'for residents to join as they plan and host events' sounds like too much responsibility for many people to join :-)
[11:18] Lias Leandros: yes a realopportunity to exploit the group for your own agenda
[11:18] Silvanus Northman: yes Bady
[11:18] colleen Criss: lol well if they want to use the islands they need to join and be responsible huh
[11:18] Silvanus Northman: a message on an equal leven to the residents would be fine
[11:18] Hypatia Meili: to share news on & to conect in order too? ??
[11:18] Bady Boozehound: Yes ... everyone who volunteers to be a greeter at an event should feel like a host, right colleen^^
[11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: its not my agenda...and I am tired of hearinmg that accusation
[11:19] Lias Leandros: I usge you to add the words "Linden -owned Land" in the charter Blondin
[11:19] Lias Leandros: be honest and clear
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: if you cared about Zindra...youd care about the growth of ZE AS WELL as resident-run groups....but you obviosuly dont
[11:19] Lias Leandros: Lindens are not running event groups on the mainland
[11:19] Qie Niangao: look, if it's a Linden owned group, a Linden calls the shots. anybody can make any ol' community group they want, outside the Linden group.
[11:19] colleen Criss: they sponsor not run the events
[11:19] Bady Boozehound: How about you just leave the group charter blank ? I don't think too many people care about group charters anyway ... and it seems it's only causing trouble :-)
[11:19] Lias Leandros: Did you see the notecard that Ginette sends out recruiting people for the Zexpo group?
[11:20] Lias Leandros: it clearly mis represents the group and its purpose
[11:20] Lias Leandros: enough of that
[11:20] colleen Criss: yes it does
[11:20] Hypatia Meili: we can use it to share news on zindra related stuff tho can't we ?
[11:20] Blondin Linden: Interesting idea Bady :)
[11:20] Lias Leandros: you can use any group to talk if you are a member and the officers allow idele chatter
[11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin....without getting personal (I wont)...its clear from precedence that lias and ZA have been trying to undermine ZE anywya.....isnt this an issue regarding motive? Why not allow for resident runs grous AND ZE to coexist? andf grow?
[11:21] Lias Leandros: thats not the same as exploiting a group becausethe founder is a Linden
[11:21] colleen Criss: ZA does not belong to Lias
[11:21] Lias Leandros: Ginette do you still have that ZEXPO group recruitment notecard you have been sending out?
[11:22] Silvanus Northman: just 'keep it simple' I think
[11:22] Lias Leandros: that answers your question about why the charter has to be CLEAR
[11:22] colleen Criss: I likely have it somewhere
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: as I saud....if you CARE about Zuindar for real, ytoud support ZE growing too
[11:22] Hypatia Meili: well expo group is made up of "zindra members" so it becomes a place to share Zindra info
[11:22] Hypatia Meili: i do not see what we would wan to prevent that
[11:22] Blondin Linden: Ginette - I want them to coexist, I do. But I understand how a group formed by a Linden and another one that isn't might look to someone who wants to pick 1 group over another. I just want to be fair
[11:22] Lias Leandros: This was not an issue until you Ginette started misrepresenting teh group for your own gain
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: since you have been trying to stop ZE initiatves from day one...(since zewxpo ended)......how can you be taken seriosuly as ZE supporter?
[11:22] colleen Criss: I do support all resident groups , this group is for use of linden lab land
[11:23] Lias Leandros: when we see obvious exploitations - its only smart to close the exploit before it gets out of hand
[11:23] Hypatia Meili: donot need to pick one ots a news and info outlet can be more then one
[11:23] Blondin Linden: I'll take another crack at the charter but Bady's idea of leaving it blank is looking real good :)
[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree with the Linden Land part...siure.......but not just for events, Blondin
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ok - moving on
[11:23] Qie Niangao: I don't see why ZEXPO *needs* to be more than a land-management group for the expo sims, and spin-off a separate, non-Linden group for all the community stuff.
[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: exploiutations?????
[11:23] Blondin Linden: 3) Podyan / Zindra name switch
[11:23] Hypatia Meili: becaus peopel ar already in it
[11:23] Lias Leandros: a clear charter stating its a group for residents to join to propose, engage in and get information about ZIndra events on LINDEN OWNED LAND is the best way to stop the group from being exploited for anything else
[11:24] colleen Criss: agrees good idea really
[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: accuse me of explooitation aga9in and thats it
[11:24] colleen Criss: this groups charter was fine to begin with
[11:24] Bady Boozehound: Let me guess ... you didn't hear anything about the name switch so far, Blondin ?^^
[11:24] Lias Leandros: and that's it?
[11:24] Lias Leandros: lol
[11:24] Blondin Linden: still no update but before we swtich the names (if we do) I want the moles to finish making the current podyan look nice and to add Verification information for new users
[11:24] colleen Criss: STOP
[11:24] colleen Criss: good lord please
[11:24] Lias Leandros: So you will add the kiosksthere in a Mature sim Blondin?
[11:25] Qie Niangao: (frankly, I'm not too sure switching the names is still a good idea)
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: yous top colleen...you are not the chair
[11:25] colleen Criss: nor are you !
[11:25] Lias Leandros: are you talking about Colleen's kiosk or just a Linden one?
[11:25] colleen Criss: agenda please
[11:25] Blondin Linden: yeah I will but Im looking for soemthing a bit more than the kiosks, hopefully built out by the moles
[11:25] colleen Criss: hello baby :)
[11:25] Lias Leandros: ythats cool also Blondin\
[11:25] Lias Leandros: ANY adult verification that can be placed in all of the welcome areas across the grid is acceptable
[11:26] Blondin Linden: Im talking about both Lias, both Colleen's kiosk (which I havent done anything with yet and I apologize - IM me this week and we'll set up 1v1 time to place it out) and some Mole work
[11:26] Bady Boozehound: When do you think the moles will get started with that ? And be done with it ? This year ?
[11:26] Lias Leandros: Im sure you saw that Linden Lab advertises ADult verification as a premium perk only to new accounts
[11:26] Hypatia Meili: if it may be something we may use else where plese tell them to keep th prims low, moles love touse prims
[11:26] Toran Babenco: Hey :)
[11:26] colleen Criss: I am presenting this this week and then I will remove it from the agenda as it is pretty stale since 09 , If this is not in your opinion, Blondin, going to come to fruition I am wasting my time and yours continuing to persue this Kiosk.
I've provided l
[11:26] colleen Criss: I've provided low prim and non adult textures and info 2 ways , via web link and inworld LMs etc., and all of it the info LLs uses .
4 prims, generic texture, 1 script. Never needs updated as long as the LLs wiki site is fresh this kiosk can be set out
[11:27] Lias Leandros: Hypatia - colleen made a oneprim sculpty adult verification Kiosk
[11:27] Lias Leandros: hi Toran
[11:27] colleen Criss: at M sim Info HUBS also a link Ive provided to you and quite honestly IF you look it could be set out on G rated sims Info HUBS BUT definately M. V2 drops info in a file folder V1 opens to the LLs wiki page.
[11:27] colleen Criss: Noticing the new coming avatars that pay LLs membership at creation are instantly granted access to all things adult , I see that there is no clear mention of getting age verified w/o PIOF. It appears LLs is pushing adult access as a perk IF they become
[11:27] Lias Leandros: sure - it can and should go in every hub
[11:28] Toran Babenco: Hello Lias :)
[11:28] colleen Criss: paying avatars but not showing adult as available thru age verification only. Seems to me this info is just as valuable as PIOF.
[11:28] Blondin Linden: I do want to place them out Colleen, though sometimes, I need to actually schedule time on my calendar to do things. Otherwise, I get pulled into different directions and forget. And I'll admit, I forget from time to time
[11:28] colleen Criss: end
[11:28] Lias Leandros: there has to be some information about adult verification made available to non premium accounts
[11:28] colleen Criss: understands Blondin
[11:28] Bady Boozehound: Blondin, when do you think the moles will get started with that ? And be done with it ? This year ?
[11:28] Blondin Linden: so lets meet up this week Colleen. Let me know what time works best for you
[11:28] colleen Criss: :) thank you I will
[11:29] VooDoo Greeter: hoho Wonder entered the defined area. (Bear <218.18940, 177.80250, 106.93150>)
[11:29] Qie Niangao: the kiosks can go out as soon as possible... no need to wait for Podyan
[11:29] Blondin Linden: Bady - I dunno. I think they have something to finsih for Linden Homes first but then I think they will ahve the bandwidth
[11:29] colleen Criss: let me ck my schedule and get back with you via notecard
[11:29] Blondin Linden: Ill know more today/tomorrow
[11:29] Blondin Linden: thanks COlleen
[11:29] colleen Criss: :)
[11:30] Blondin Linden: ok next item: Adult Verification Wiki Update
[11:30] Blondin Linden: GInette?
[11:30] Ginette Pinazzo: are you jumping aroudn the agenda again? haha
[11:30] Silvanus Northman: the english version is now different to the other 3 languages
[11:30] Ginette Pinazzo: you were goingt o updatre the how to verify wiki
[11:31] Blondin Linden: yeah I took a pass at it a few weeks ago
[11:31] Blondin Linden: pictures and text were quickly updated
[11:31] Silvanus Northman: and the english version has a link about how to setup the preferences, I didnt see it first, and thought its missed
[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: a few have told me there is till soem glaring error(s) though
[11:31] Blondin Linden: yeah thats waht I was wondering
[11:31] Silvanus Northman: I see, ok Blondin
[11:31] Blondin Linden: If you see any errors - feel free to email
[11:31] Blondin Linden: and Ill fix them
[11:31] colleen Criss: its not been updated yet to thier new pay perk for new avis
[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: ok I have feedbcak froma resident or 2 will email you
[11:33] colleen Criss: holy lag batman !
[11:33] Blondin Linden: thanks
[11:33] Blondin Linden: ok next item
[11:33] Blondin Linden: Art Maze 2011 Report
[11:33] colleen Criss: welcomeback handsome :)
[11:33] Ginette Pinazzo: ARt Maze update...all good news.......
[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: 1. we set out 32 maze sections....we already have half our our artists booked......they have all started building at their own sims and we will be checking up on them every week.....
[11:34] Silvanus Northman: Hi Mapp
[11:34] Toran Babenco: thanks
[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: 2. We have reporters doing individual artist interviews, for the show's Program Book, website and other PR use........
[11:34] Laurence Mapp: hey Silvanus .)
[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: 3. we have portrait photographer Gualterio Albatros (PhotoKool Studio), who is doing group shots of all the artists and is also making some cute collectible Art Maze coffee mugs for the lobby........
[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: 4. We are doing press releases for various inworld and offworld publications now...... (I did get yoru email abt that Blondin)
[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: 5. I've been working with the LEA on a mutually beneficial relationship. Since the LEA is really just starting out, I think we can help each other........We have LEA members as some of the artists too......
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: 6. Ive been talking with Ronon Carver (who runs the 'Rangers' from Burn),. He and/or one of his colleague will sign on as 'advisors' to our team, to help during the event. I dont expect issues like Burn has, partly because we are on Zindra and griefing should be less an issue, but Rowan had some very good ideas to help us......
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: FIN
[11:35] Blondin Linden: I;ve worked with Ronan before on Burning Life
[11:36] Ginette Pinazzo: yes he ahd some great insight
[11:36] Ginette Pinazzo: hes our official Art Maze Mediator
[11:36] Blondin Linden: and Im glad to see a tie in with the LEA . They are starting to meet again and COurntey Linden is the liaison there
[11:36] Blondin Linden: I went over this morning to take a look
[11:36] Blondin Linden: looks interesting
[11:37] Blondin Linden: at the regions
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: great...I hope to really work closely with them
[11:37] Blondin Linden: excited to see it come together
[11:37] Blondin Linden: does anyone have any questions for GInette?
[11:37] Blondin Linden: constructive questions :)
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: you wotn se much of the maze sections themsleves until ,the artists start bring them over to fit otgethr...it will look sparse for a whiel
[11:38] Qie Niangao: Is there a chance the artists would be interested in contributing work for other public locations on the continent?
[11:38] Qie Niangao: I mean, as (more or less) permanent installations?
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: I dotn see why you cant ask them Qie...they are all different...difefernt backgrounds...why not ask
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: its a great idea
[11:39] Blondin Linden: and by public.....do you mean Linden land?
[11:39] Qie Niangao: yes
[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: we did solicit artists to design a 'designer' version of the Flickr Slideshow kiosk..for example......
[11:40] Qie Niangao: I mean all the squares, etc, scattered around Kama City, with prims to spare.
[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: bringing artists from all over into Zindra projects is a great way to do outreach
[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: (se we can have multiple styles available)
[11:40] Blondin Linden: well, before we drop any instalations - I'd want to make sure that the piece made sense for where you wanted it to go, get neighbor sign off, things like that
[11:41] Silvanus Northman: ok , I made a small slideshow of the actual state there: http://www.myprimspace.com/Zindra/ArtMazeViews/arTMaze.html
[11:41] Ginette Pinazzo: that soudns like a good beautification AND outreach plan, Qie
[11:41] Qie Niangao: Blondin: yeah, that was what I wanted to say: LDPW should be involved.
[11:41] Blondin Linden: agreed Qie
[11:41] chiman fassbinder: New limited edition liter clams available - We have two new clams that are available for purchase with the liters system. As like all the other ones that are available for purchase with liters they are limited edition. Limited to 100 clams to be sold. They are currently setup with the other pearls that are available for trade in with liters. To answer most of your question, yes there will be other clams that are limited edition that you can earn without liters. However, we may or may not be doing it with the fishing like last time. The limited edition liter clams can be found on the docks that hold all our liter system items.
[11:42] Qie Niangao: (okay, enough about that, till things start happening... I just see a certain synergy between LEA and LDPW -- and Zindra could be a good testbed for it)
[11:42] Lias Leandros: So is it that Qie will volunteer to be some public art Liaison and discuss with Blondin and DPW abbout what pieces from the maze event would fit in public spaces in Zindra?
[11:42] colleen Criss: thats a good idea Q
[11:43] Qie Niangao: (Lias, I just want to get the right people talking... I have very austere taste in art, so definitely not me doing any selecting)
[11:43] Qie Niangao: (god the chatlag is killer here today)
[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: Id say soemoen shoudl write upa proposal for this public space art idea...so we can see the idea in detail
[11:44] Blondin Linden: Sil - you slide show reminded me of the video about the building of the set for HBO's Boardwalk Empire in brooklyn
[11:44] Blondin Linden: Art Maze 2011 Report
[11:44] Lias Leandros: Okthanks Qie
[11:44] Blondin Linden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlpFHcA98-E
[11:44] Blondin Linden: link fail
[11:44] Blondin Linden: Its timelapse and you watch it being built
[11:44] Blondin Linden: pretty cool
[11:44] Blondin Linden: Boardwalk Empire btw is an awesome show. You should watch or pick up the dvds when its out :)
[11:45] Silvanus Northman: oh interesting
[11:45] Silvanus Northman: ty
[11:45] Silvanus Northman: yes I already opened YT : ) ty Blondin
[11:45] colleen Criss: next agenda item?
[11:45] Blondin Linden: Flickr group Content Standards
[11:45] Blondin Linden: this one fell through the Holiday cracks
[11:45] Blondin Linden: can we pick it up next week?
[11:46] colleen Criss: agrees
[11:46] Lias Leandros: OK
[11:46] Silvanus Northman: : )
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: the Fluckr Slideshgow team did write a darft based on yoru thougths Blondin...but it can wait till nexy week
[11:46] Lias Leandros: we alrready discussed Colleen's age verification Kiosk
[11:46] Blondin Linden: Thanks GInette
[11:46] You decline ...::~*Wicked Desires*~::.., Seduction Point (169, 192, 2999) from A group member named Tiff Dreadlow.
[11:46] Blondin Linden: Next: Anonymous Agenda Items
[11:47] colleen Criss: Im sorry Im so lagged I did not mean to jump ahead of line on that one
[11:47] Blondin Linden: Agreed - please sign your name to agenda items :)
[11:47] Blondin Linden: that way I know who to follow up with
[11:47] Lias Leandros: item #2, Item #3 and Item #7 were added by the same person - but that person refuses to addd their name - but shows up here and discusses these items openly - what's that about?
[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: i9s this constructve?
[11:47] Lias Leandros: yes please sign your name
[11:47] Lias Leandros: yes its constructive
[11:47] colleen Criss: Im hoping we can get to Hypatias agenda item
[11:48] Blondin Linden: Yes - lets move onto Hypa's
[11:48] Blondin Linden: Where to take Non-Zindra ADult Issues
[11:48] Blondin Linden: this is a good one :)
[11:48] colleen Criss: yes it is
[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo: Hypa...you're on!
[11:48] Blondin Linden: WIth people coming and going at Linden Lab, I understand the question
[11:48] Blondin Linden: trust me, I've asked it of myself too
[11:49] Hypatia Meili: well this meetin is always to busy & Geral adlut isses efect us zindra bein adult
[11:49] Hypatia Meili: so wher can we go on gral issues like search
[11:49] Garden Erotica InfoGiver: seb31 Columbia entered the defined area. (Adult Community Center <142.78040, 122.83090, 33.09755>)
[11:49] Blondin Linden: Search and Keywords would, I think fall under Sea Linden
[11:49] Hypatia Meili: and what lias metioned early
[11:49] Hypatia Meili: yes but as adult
[11:49] Blondin Linden: I think she also did some work on the events Listings
[11:50] Hypatia Meili: or just search function
[11:50] Hypatia Meili: needs to adress both
[11:50] Blondin Linden: basic search was her thing so if it has to do with Adult, I think she'd want to hear it
[11:50] Hypatia Meili: lias coment on veficatio is another example
[11:50] Hypatia Meili: Lias Leandros: there has to be some information about adult verification made available to non premium accounts
[11:51] Hypatia Meili: another is :
[11:51] Hypatia Meili: Market Place Does NOT ask if you are over 18 it asks if you wish to see mature.
What is our responsiblity if the newly ariving teen resdents buy adult Items?
[11:51] Blondin Linden: they actually do mention Adult and upgrade accounts to access certain things Linden Homes and ADult content when new users sign up
[11:51] Hypatia Meili: idont expected detiled answer her but wher do we go?
[11:52] colleen Criss: if they buy an account but not for basic
[11:52] Lias Leandros: I did not see it Blonndin
[11:52] colleen Criss: I didnt see it
[11:52] Lias Leandros: and I cretaed a 4 screen jpeg of the new user sign up process
[11:52] Lias Leandros: anyone that wants it just ask
[11:52] Blondin Linden: It's there. I saw it last week when we launcedh single sign ins
[11:52] Lias Leandros: I have it in inventory
[11:52] Garden Erotica InfoGiver: KittyKat Moonwing entered the defined area. (Adult Community Center <142.78140, 122.83150, 32.87887>)
[11:53] Hypatia Meili: the question tho is wher to go on geral adult issues not zindra spefic
[11:53] Blondin Linden: as for the marketplace - I'd need t go back and look. But soemthing tells me they wont even be able to use it
[11:53] Hypatia Meili: as tonot try to sqeeze them in here
[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo: is there an OH meeting for Adult issues in general, Blondin.....? n
[11:54] Hypatia Meili: wel we cant test it as non teens, i only see what it says
[11:54] colleen Criss: teens wont be able to use mktplace??
[11:54] Lias Leandros: its really not there Blondin - I signed out of secondlife.com and went through the registration process as a new player
[11:54] Blondin Linden: Hypa - I hate to tell ya - GEneral adult issues are best sent to me, even if they aren't ZIndra related. Hate to dissappoint ya
[11:54] Hypatia Meili: your other OH?
[11:55] Blondin Linden: You can bring them up here as they affect us all
[11:55] colleen Criss: how do you want to recieve it Blondin in a mtg or via notecard , email?
[11:55] Blondin Linden: but if not here - then my Wed OH would be an ok place for it
[11:55] colleen Criss: tsk sorry lol got out of order
[11:55] Hypatia Meili: ok som seemd to object to non zindra isues tho
[11:55] Blondin Linden: any of those are acceptable colleen
[11:55] Blondin Linden: though some work better than others
[11:56] Hypatia Meili: as long as that is ofical
[11:56] colleen Criss: ty :)
[11:56] Hypatia Meili: i try tomake that but you mised few there too
[11:56] Date Bar Infogiver: KittyKat Moonwing entered the defined area. (Adult Community Center <82.78516, 146.99920, 24.84796>)
[11:56] Ginette Pinazzo: Id say open ended questions are what5 use of precious time the most...if its ina proposal form (a solution sduggested) thats best forthese meetinsg....
[11:56] colleen Criss: not all things require a proposal
[11:56] Blondin Linden: Hypa - if its adult related, I think this is a good place for it. If you want to discuss something on more of a 1v1 level, my wed oh have calmed down quiet a bit. (prob bc I've been canceling a lot of them lately)
[11:57] Hypatia Meili: welli ned to reword th market issue then
[11:57] colleen Criss: some just require a question answered
[11:57] Ginette Pinazzo: no...but this is how to get thinsg done.....weve had the endless open ended question before...nothing got done
[11:57] Ginette Pinazzo: you cant avoid soem of them...but its good to try to coem to the table with solutions when possible
[11:57] colleen Criss: then ignore what does not interest you directly Gina
[11:57] colleen Criss: simple
[11:57] Ginette Pinazzo: colleen..stop being so 'neutral'
[11:57] Blondin Linden: Hypa - if you want to discuss soemthing here , just throw it up on the agenda and we'll try to get to it :)
[11:57] Blondin Linden: ok
[11:58] Lias Leandros: good idea Blondin
[11:58] Blondin Linden: I think thats it for this week....
[11:58] Hypatia Meili: ok
[11:58] Blondin Linden: ?
[11:58] colleen Criss: lol god forbid anyone is neutral
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: so Blondin...JAN 10 for the party here? or wherever?
[11:58] Silvanus Northman: ty Blondin : )
[11:58] Blondin Linden: Dec 10th
[11:58] Blondin Linden: ;)
[11:58] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin
[11:58] Lias Leandros: remeber to sign your name and not just "Zindra" hypatia:-)
[11:58] Hypatia Meili: as long as non zindra but adult is permited
[11:58] colleen Criss: thank you Blondin , chat soon
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: I was being facetious colleen.....look it up
[11:58] Blondin Linden: thanks all
[11:58] Silvanus Northman: 10th Dec., ok scheduled : )
[11:58] Zada Bury: thank you for your time , Blondin
[11:58] Hypatia Meili: i diod didnt i?
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao Blondin
[11:58] colleen Criss: why would I look it up Im the retard youd like to think I am
[11:59] Hypatia Meili: by blondin
[11:59] colleen Criss: look that up
[11:59] Dancer Greenfield: Bye Blondin
[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo: I never said you were retarded colleen
[11:59] colleen Criss: then do NOT be condesending to me
[11:59] colleen Criss: its wasted
[11:59] Zada Bury: does somebody knows, why they have roll the sims back to that version, which breaking down, if someone TP in or out?
[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo: same here colleen......keep your petty remarks to your insiode voice
[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao
[11:59] colleen Criss: rofl
[12:00] colleen Criss: hysterical
[12:00] Lias Leandros: In the spirit of Hypatia, I will add the question about the adult verification upon sign up to the agenda when he cleqars it
[12:00] Hypatia Meili: i know there was an issu on tp landin in privat areas due to lag
[12:00] Toran Babenco laughs to himself
[12:00] colleen Criss: Im glad we covered that item !
[12:00] Lias Leandros: One person cannot attribute an agenda item to an entire group - especially if they have not gotten the permission and approval of the group members.
[12:01] Hypatia Meili: i have sevral gues it wiltake awhile
[12:01] colleen Criss: :0dont give up !!
[12:01] colleen Criss: age verify kiosks since 09 but dont give up
[12:01] Hypatia Meili: il metion another to everyone whos stil here
[12:01] colleen Criss: listens
[12:02] Bady Boozehound: happy fun time, party people !
[12:02] Hypatia Meili: mature location with adult keyword now shoow up in adult search instead of being just hidden
[12:02] Lias Leandros: thats better
[12:02] Hypatia Meili: is that policy change or an error
[12:02] Lias Leandros: lol
[12:02] Lias Leandros: I hope a change
[12:02] colleen Criss: if I understand that, according to LLs they re blocking that from all G rated users how I have no clue
[12:03] Hypatia Meili: it means mature location canadvetrise adult activity on mature
[12:03] Lias Leandros: and I would love to see this place wherew new basic accounts are informed of afdult verification that Blondin spoke of
[10:54] colleen Criss: I vote no
[10:54] colleen Criss: hello Hypatia
[10:55] Hypatia Meili: Hi everyone
[10:55] Qie Niangao: Hi Hypatia
[10:55] Lias Leandros: well I a not sure that is an agenda concern Qie
[10:55] Lias Leandros: Hi Hypatia
[10:55] colleen Criss: its not on agenda
[10:55] Lias Leandros: its not a Zindra concern I meant
[10:55] colleen Criss: and will not be solved in this OH
[10:56] Lias Leandros: 'begging Linden Lab to further isolate us from the consumers does not sound like we are going in the right direction
[10:56] Lias~ AKEYO_PowerAO_PricelessGirl-SloMo_HUD (v 1.9): Typing override: Off
[10:56] Lias~ AKEYO_PowerAO_PricelessGirl-SloMo_HUD (v 1.9): Sit anywhere: On
[10:56] Qie Niangao: Well, that's just it: it's not on the agenda. but if folks don't want me to ask it, I won't ask it. It's very tangentially related to Zindra, inasmuch as, at present, Adult sims on Estates can have General sims adjacent... so could in theory set up Shared Media peep shows for the youngsters, across the sim border.
[10:56] Hypatia Meili: further isolate? dont know what your discusing bu that does not sound good
[10:57] colleen Criss: Q Id take those concerns directly to the LAB
[10:57] Lias Leandros: But Qie, we dont represent parent groups
[10:57] colleen Criss: thats thier baby
[10:57] Lias Leandros: what do we care if teens see porn in SL?
[10:57] colleen Criss: as we see we wont change thier minds on it but good luck
[10:57] Qie Niangao: we care because it's something the Estates can do that Zindra can't
[10:58] Qie Niangao: unless the estates *can't*
[10:58] Lias Leandros: So crippling estates to the level that we are crippled wont help us
[10:58] colleen Criss: they can go to A and age verified for an extra safety measure now but thats about it and NOT a solution
[10:58] Silvanus Northman: Hi all together
[10:58] Qie Niangao: okay, fuck it then.
[10:59] colleen Criss: hello Sil, Bady
[10:59] Bady Boozehound: Hello party people !
[11:00] Zada Bury: greetings around
[11:00] Hypatia Meili: both curent vefication methods suck , but i would recomend blocking one or th other or requiring both
[11:00] colleen Criss: hello Zada
[11:00] Lias Leandros: It's hard to cover the first agenda item aboutthe Holiday Message from the Zindra SIm if Counter is not here since he is th eone approved to develop the Holiday ebent on ZIndra this year
[11:00] Qie Niangao: kind of out of lead time for that event, seems to me
[11:00] Silvanus Northman: Hi Blondin
[11:00] Hypatia Meili: might as well close down then
[11:00] Qie Niangao: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: he has not been approved because he did not do a proposal....anywya. the agenda item stands
[11:01] Hypatia Meili: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Blonmdin
[11:01] Lias Leandros: he has been approved
[11:01] colleen Criss: hello Blondin
[11:01] Lias Leandros: period
[11:01] Lias Leandros: and you cannot just say you will now develop a holiday messaage on the sim of Zindra because you wantto
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: ni lias...wromg again..read the wiki
[11:01] colleen Criss: shall we dig up the text of Blondin telling him he was approved for the event Gina?
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hi all. Looks like Im walking into the middle of it!
[11:01] colleen Criss: it exists
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: you dotn even know my message yet so relax
[11:02] Lias Leandros: You ghave no right to make one for the sim of Zindra
[11:02] colleen Criss: ok lets get to this huh
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: whatever.....how was yoru holiday Blondin?
[11:02] Lias Leandros: you are pouncing on Counter's small event
[11:02] Blondin Linden: well lets get started
[11:02] Lias Leandros: when you should be concenbtrating on your large event
[11:03] Hypatia Meili: can i ask if you will be at your other OH this week?
[11:03] Blondin Linden: Im gunna work right down the list since I didnt update it last week due to my canceling the OH
[11:03] Zada Bury: So, how are you this week, Blondin?
[11:03] Zada Bury: heya Blondin.#
[11:03] Blondin Linden: Yeah I think so Hypa
[11:03] Hypatia Meili: ok :)
[11:03] Blondin Linden: 1) Zindra Sim Holiday Message
[11:03] Ginette Pinazzo: we are finally reaching out across Zindra and beyond.....we need ot keep this meetings professional......one agenda item ata time
[11:03] Ginette Pinazzo: ok Im ready with my message
[11:03] Ginette Pinazzo: its hort.......
[11:03] Blondin Linden: Is this still an issue? Was it time sensitive for Thanksgiving?
[11:03] Ginette Pinazzo: *short!
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: Originally my message was more complex, because of the Zindar Sim issue etc. But as its practically December already, time to plan anything is almost nonexistant......so here is my very simplified message.....
[11:04] Lias Leandros: unbelievable
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: I suggest we set aside one of these Monday OH meetings as a Holiday party.....(pick a date) ........no meeting...no agenda...just a party...but Blondin will still need to show up!............
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: I think the group needs this cheer after all the drama and crisis. I think for many people, these OH meetings are a chore and very unpleasant, and many of us would love a chance to relax and try to reconnect as friends or make new friends......
[11:04] Qie Niangao: Blondin, I think it just has to be ready to go by the time Winterfest starts.
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: A chance to 'unwind' and celebrate the progress we have made and to think positively about next year. .......
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: FIN
[11:06] Qie Niangao: That's fine, Ginette, just has nothing to do with the agenda topic. So, I presume we're still on for the snowman contest, once Counter gets back.
[11:06] Blondin Linden: I think a party sounds nice :) Maybe we should hear from the ZA and see what they had in mind for the snowman building contest. I know they wanted it to be a bit more involved than just that.
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: no Qie..that IS my agenda topic
[11:06] Blondin Linden: and then tie the party into that
[11:07] Qie Niangao: Okay, that's fine then. I assume Counter has his plans underway.
[11:07] Lias Leandros: I will suugest a 'grab bag' script to Counter - where we all can drop gifts and then people can touch and randomly receive a 'present'
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: its already Dec, bascially...and counter has said he wont doa proposal for the snowman contest...at last meeting anyway
[11:07] Lias Leandros: like those dumsters
[11:07] Blondin Linden: lets wait and see what Counter and the ZA have pulled togehter.
[11:07] Lias Leandros: OK
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: all I am saying is that we do one of these Monday meetings as a simple party
[11:07] colleen Criss: believes Blondin did not require one
[11:08] Qie Niangao: Thanks. Blondin.
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: read the wiki colleen
[11:08] Blondin Linden: what do people think about that? setting aside a meeting in 2 weeks for a party?
[11:08] colleen Criss: again I do not recall Blondin asking for one
[11:08] Lias Leandros: Ginette how about using the grab bag idea where we all drop a gift and get a gift?
[11:08] Blondin Linden: ie - no agenda, just dancing
[11:08] colleen Criss: this has nothing to do with the islands
[11:08] Lias Leandros: oh
[11:09] Qie Niangao: Sounds good to me, Blondin... or maybe a little later, depending on your schedule, to coincide with the Winterfest stuff.
[11:09] Lias Leandros: I thought that agenda item mentioned the sim of ZIndra - I apoligize
[11:09] Ginette Pinazzo: I thinka simple party for this group would help.......dancing, drinking, etc
[11:09] Lias Leandros: what about the grab bag Ginette?
[11:09] colleen Criss: Id contribute to a grab bag its a nice idea
[11:10] Lias Leandros: Ginette refuses to acknowledge me
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: a grab bag for a party here? why not
[11:10] Lias Leandros: next agenda item then please
[11:10] Blondin Linden: Ok. So how about MOnday the 10th - instead of an OH here, we meet over on Zindra or somewhere, set some music and have a party
[11:10] Lias Leandros: so just give Blondin the grab bag and he can drop it here
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin...are you interested in thsi idea..to choose a OH date to have a party?
[11:11] Blondin Linden: I'll turn Rez on so it'll BYOP (Bring your own Prims)
[11:11] Ginette Pinazzo: (marks calendar)..soudsn good to me
[11:11] Lias Leandros: then we can fill it at each meeting until the day its available to take stuff from it
[11:11] Silvanus Northman: : )
[11:11] colleen Criss: I can make a santa bag for it
[11:12] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin., my ORIGINAL holiday message DID relate to the Zindra Sim etc ...but as counter never proposed..thats why I simplfied the message...if he IS still trying to move forward, I will wanmt to amke that full message anotehr time
[11:12] Blondin Linden: So the next item is on there 2X
[11:12] Blondin Linden: 2) Zindra Expo Group Charte
[11:12] Blondin Linden: So I took a look at both GInette's and Lias' suggestions.
[11:12] Ginette Pinazzo: A few weeks ago, I presented an updated charter for the Zindra Expo group, written in conjunction with about 12 other members......
[11:13] Lias Leandros: and it was not good
[11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: thsat is your opinion Lias.....many otehrs disagree with you
[11:13] Blondin Linden: Ginette's felt a little too community based/driven for what I had in mind and Lias' sounded a little....sterile? perhaps? Im not sure. Just kinda technical. So I kinda tried to merge the two
[11:13] Lias Leandros: There is no Linden run resident volunteer program on the grid anymore
[11:13] colleen Criss: listens to Blondin
[11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: lias...your opinion is biased as youve been acvtively trying to diminish this group and even troll it to get peoepl to switch over tyo ZA....public record
[11:14] Blondin Linden: Zindra Expo is a group for residents to join as they plan and host events on the Expo Island, found at the four corners of Distrel, Girenzi, Jaraded and Tramboyn. The purpose of the group is to 1) grant temporary land rights to Residents working
[11:14] Blondin Linden: on approved events using the land and 2) act as a communication tool for the dispersal of information. Please feel free to join the group to get updates on and to participate in Zindra events.
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[11:14] Qie Niangao: Sounds good to me.
[11:14] Blondin Linden: ...thoughts?
[11:14] colleen Criss: stop you 2p lease or cryng outloud
[11:15] Lias Leandros: sterile= clear that it is not to be used for residents to recruit residents in order to send out their personal take on Zindra community issues
[11:15] Zada Bury: the merge sounds good
[11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: I think its far too limiiting, Blondin....and will become a real nightmare later
[11:15] Lias Leandros: ZINDRA EVENTS
[11:15] Bady Boozehound: If it fits in the group charter^^ Agreed.
[11:15] colleen Criss: works great
[11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: bhut its yoru group, Blondin
[11:15] Lias Leandros: Events on Linden owned Land
[11:15] Blondin Linden: I took a look at the group charter as it curretly stands
[11:15] Lias Leandros: not just Zindra events
[11:16] Blondin Linden: and its just the next event and the slurls for my OH
[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: teh charter is outdated anyway....
[11:16] Hypatia Meili: sounds to me like what has been going on in the group share news and events
[11:16] Lias Leandros: share news and events for things that happen on Linden owned land
[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: tyhis group can and already ahs doen more than just zexpo iusland events....limiting it is what ZA members want and wil limit all progress
[11:16] Hypatia Meili: you know regardless unles blondin expresly forbids it expo group wil still funbction as a defacto comunity group be cause it is fulof comunity members
[11:16] Qie Niangao: Lias? You mean Linden events on other continents?
[11:16] Lias Leandros: not resident owned land in Zindra
[11:17] Lias Leandros: if you just state ZINDRA EVENTS it will be exploited and presented to people as THE event group for Zindra
[11:17] Silvanus Northman: I think the message should say that this group is a place to speak and plan together with Linden
[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: I urge to reconsider this limiting charter, Blondin
[11:17] Silvanus Northman: in less and clear words
[11:17] colleen Criss: agrees on that point Lias
[11:17] Lias Leandros: and as Ginette likes to say - it will be presented as the TRUSTED ZIndra event group because it is owned by a Linden
[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Silvanus...we hav real opportunity here........that wont be possible with a limited charter
[11:17] Bady Boozehound: Though i think 'for residents to join as they plan and host events' sounds like too much responsibility for many people to join :-)
[11:18] Lias Leandros: yes a realopportunity to exploit the group for your own agenda
[11:18] Silvanus Northman: yes Bady
[11:18] colleen Criss: lol well if they want to use the islands they need to join and be responsible huh
[11:18] Silvanus Northman: a message on an equal leven to the residents would be fine
[11:18] Hypatia Meili: to share news on & to conect in order too? ??
[11:18] Bady Boozehound: Yes ... everyone who volunteers to be a greeter at an event should feel like a host, right colleen^^
[11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: its not my agenda...and I am tired of hearinmg that accusation
[11:19] Lias Leandros: I usge you to add the words "Linden -owned Land" in the charter Blondin
[11:19] Lias Leandros: be honest and clear
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: if you cared about Zindra...youd care about the growth of ZE AS WELL as resident-run groups....but you obviosuly dont
[11:19] Lias Leandros: Lindens are not running event groups on the mainland
[11:19] Qie Niangao: look, if it's a Linden owned group, a Linden calls the shots. anybody can make any ol' community group they want, outside the Linden group.
[11:19] colleen Criss: they sponsor not run the events
[11:19] Bady Boozehound: How about you just leave the group charter blank ? I don't think too many people care about group charters anyway ... and it seems it's only causing trouble :-)
[11:19] Lias Leandros: Did you see the notecard that Ginette sends out recruiting people for the Zexpo group?
[11:20] Lias Leandros: it clearly mis represents the group and its purpose
[11:20] Lias Leandros: enough of that
[11:20] colleen Criss: yes it does
[11:20] Hypatia Meili: we can use it to share news on zindra related stuff tho can't we ?
[11:20] Blondin Linden: Interesting idea Bady :)
[11:20] Lias Leandros: you can use any group to talk if you are a member and the officers allow idele chatter
[11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin....without getting personal (I wont)...its clear from precedence that lias and ZA have been trying to undermine ZE anywya.....isnt this an issue regarding motive? Why not allow for resident runs grous AND ZE to coexist? andf grow?
[11:21] Lias Leandros: thats not the same as exploiting a group becausethe founder is a Linden
[11:21] colleen Criss: ZA does not belong to Lias
[11:21] Lias Leandros: Ginette do you still have that ZEXPO group recruitment notecard you have been sending out?
[11:22] Silvanus Northman: just 'keep it simple' I think
[11:22] Lias Leandros: that answers your question about why the charter has to be CLEAR
[11:22] colleen Criss: I likely have it somewhere
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: as I saud....if you CARE about Zuindar for real, ytoud support ZE growing too
[11:22] Hypatia Meili: well expo group is made up of "zindra members" so it becomes a place to share Zindra info
[11:22] Hypatia Meili: i do not see what we would wan to prevent that
[11:22] Blondin Linden: Ginette - I want them to coexist, I do. But I understand how a group formed by a Linden and another one that isn't might look to someone who wants to pick 1 group over another. I just want to be fair
[11:22] Lias Leandros: This was not an issue until you Ginette started misrepresenting teh group for your own gain
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: since you have been trying to stop ZE initiatves from day one...(since zewxpo ended)......how can you be taken seriosuly as ZE supporter?
[11:22] colleen Criss: I do support all resident groups , this group is for use of linden lab land
[11:23] Lias Leandros: when we see obvious exploitations - its only smart to close the exploit before it gets out of hand
[11:23] Hypatia Meili: donot need to pick one ots a news and info outlet can be more then one
[11:23] Blondin Linden: I'll take another crack at the charter but Bady's idea of leaving it blank is looking real good :)
[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree with the Linden Land part...siure.......but not just for events, Blondin
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ok - moving on
[11:23] Qie Niangao: I don't see why ZEXPO *needs* to be more than a land-management group for the expo sims, and spin-off a separate, non-Linden group for all the community stuff.
[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: exploiutations?????
[11:23] Blondin Linden: 3) Podyan / Zindra name switch
[11:23] Hypatia Meili: becaus peopel ar already in it
[11:23] Lias Leandros: a clear charter stating its a group for residents to join to propose, engage in and get information about ZIndra events on LINDEN OWNED LAND is the best way to stop the group from being exploited for anything else
[11:24] colleen Criss: agrees good idea really
[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: accuse me of explooitation aga9in and thats it
[11:24] colleen Criss: this groups charter was fine to begin with
[11:24] Bady Boozehound: Let me guess ... you didn't hear anything about the name switch so far, Blondin ?^^
[11:24] Lias Leandros: and that's it?
[11:24] Lias Leandros: lol
[11:24] Blondin Linden: still no update but before we swtich the names (if we do) I want the moles to finish making the current podyan look nice and to add Verification information for new users
[11:24] colleen Criss: STOP
[11:24] colleen Criss: good lord please
[11:24] Lias Leandros: So you will add the kiosksthere in a Mature sim Blondin?
[11:25] Qie Niangao: (frankly, I'm not too sure switching the names is still a good idea)
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: yous top colleen...you are not the chair
[11:25] colleen Criss: nor are you !
[11:25] Lias Leandros: are you talking about Colleen's kiosk or just a Linden one?
[11:25] colleen Criss: agenda please
[11:25] Blondin Linden: yeah I will but Im looking for soemthing a bit more than the kiosks, hopefully built out by the moles
[11:25] colleen Criss: hello baby :)
[11:25] Lias Leandros: ythats cool also Blondin\
[11:25] Lias Leandros: ANY adult verification that can be placed in all of the welcome areas across the grid is acceptable
[11:26] Blondin Linden: Im talking about both Lias, both Colleen's kiosk (which I havent done anything with yet and I apologize - IM me this week and we'll set up 1v1 time to place it out) and some Mole work
[11:26] Bady Boozehound: When do you think the moles will get started with that ? And be done with it ? This year ?
[11:26] Lias Leandros: Im sure you saw that Linden Lab advertises ADult verification as a premium perk only to new accounts
[11:26] Hypatia Meili: if it may be something we may use else where plese tell them to keep th prims low, moles love touse prims
[11:26] Toran Babenco: Hey :)
[11:26] colleen Criss: I am presenting this this week and then I will remove it from the agenda as it is pretty stale since 09 , If this is not in your opinion, Blondin, going to come to fruition I am wasting my time and yours continuing to persue this Kiosk.
I've provided l
[11:26] colleen Criss: I've provided low prim and non adult textures and info 2 ways , via web link and inworld LMs etc., and all of it the info LLs uses .
4 prims, generic texture, 1 script. Never needs updated as long as the LLs wiki site is fresh this kiosk can be set out
[11:27] Lias Leandros: Hypatia - colleen made a oneprim sculpty adult verification Kiosk
[11:27] Lias Leandros: hi Toran
[11:27] colleen Criss: at M sim Info HUBS also a link Ive provided to you and quite honestly IF you look it could be set out on G rated sims Info HUBS BUT definately M. V2 drops info in a file folder V1 opens to the LLs wiki page.
[11:27] colleen Criss: Noticing the new coming avatars that pay LLs membership at creation are instantly granted access to all things adult , I see that there is no clear mention of getting age verified w/o PIOF. It appears LLs is pushing adult access as a perk IF they become
[11:27] Lias Leandros: sure - it can and should go in every hub
[11:28] Toran Babenco: Hello Lias :)
[11:28] colleen Criss: paying avatars but not showing adult as available thru age verification only. Seems to me this info is just as valuable as PIOF.
[11:28] Blondin Linden: I do want to place them out Colleen, though sometimes, I need to actually schedule time on my calendar to do things. Otherwise, I get pulled into different directions and forget. And I'll admit, I forget from time to time
[11:28] colleen Criss: end
[11:28] Lias Leandros: there has to be some information about adult verification made available to non premium accounts
[11:28] colleen Criss: understands Blondin
[11:28] Bady Boozehound: Blondin, when do you think the moles will get started with that ? And be done with it ? This year ?
[11:28] Blondin Linden: so lets meet up this week Colleen. Let me know what time works best for you
[11:28] colleen Criss: :) thank you I will
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[11:29] Qie Niangao: the kiosks can go out as soon as possible... no need to wait for Podyan
[11:29] Blondin Linden: Bady - I dunno. I think they have something to finsih for Linden Homes first but then I think they will ahve the bandwidth
[11:29] colleen Criss: let me ck my schedule and get back with you via notecard
[11:29] Blondin Linden: Ill know more today/tomorrow
[11:29] Blondin Linden: thanks COlleen
[11:29] colleen Criss: :)
[11:30] Blondin Linden: ok next item: Adult Verification Wiki Update
[11:30] Blondin Linden: GInette?
[11:30] Ginette Pinazzo: are you jumping aroudn the agenda again? haha
[11:30] Silvanus Northman: the english version is now different to the other 3 languages
[11:30] Ginette Pinazzo: you were goingt o updatre the how to verify wiki
[11:31] Blondin Linden: yeah I took a pass at it a few weeks ago
[11:31] Blondin Linden: pictures and text were quickly updated
[11:31] Silvanus Northman: and the english version has a link about how to setup the preferences, I didnt see it first, and thought its missed
[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: a few have told me there is till soem glaring error(s) though
[11:31] Blondin Linden: yeah thats waht I was wondering
[11:31] Silvanus Northman: I see, ok Blondin
[11:31] Blondin Linden: If you see any errors - feel free to email
[11:31] Blondin Linden: and Ill fix them
[11:31] colleen Criss: its not been updated yet to thier new pay perk for new avis
[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: ok I have feedbcak froma resident or 2 will email you
[11:33] colleen Criss: holy lag batman !
[11:33] Blondin Linden: thanks
[11:33] Blondin Linden: ok next item
[11:33] Blondin Linden: Art Maze 2011 Report
[11:33] colleen Criss: welcomeback handsome :)
[11:33] Ginette Pinazzo: ARt Maze update...all good news.......
[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: 1. we set out 32 maze sections....we already have half our our artists booked......they have all started building at their own sims and we will be checking up on them every week.....
[11:34] Silvanus Northman: Hi Mapp
[11:34] Toran Babenco: thanks
[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: 2. We have reporters doing individual artist interviews, for the show's Program Book, website and other PR use........
[11:34] Laurence Mapp: hey Silvanus .)
[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: 3. we have portrait photographer Gualterio Albatros (PhotoKool Studio), who is doing group shots of all the artists and is also making some cute collectible Art Maze coffee mugs for the lobby........
[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: 4. We are doing press releases for various inworld and offworld publications now...... (I did get yoru email abt that Blondin)
[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: 5. I've been working with the LEA on a mutually beneficial relationship. Since the LEA is really just starting out, I think we can help each other........We have LEA members as some of the artists too......
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: 6. Ive been talking with Ronon Carver (who runs the 'Rangers' from Burn),. He and/or one of his colleague will sign on as 'advisors' to our team, to help during the event. I dont expect issues like Burn has, partly because we are on Zindra and griefing should be less an issue, but Rowan had some very good ideas to help us......
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: FIN
[11:35] Blondin Linden: I;ve worked with Ronan before on Burning Life
[11:36] Ginette Pinazzo: yes he ahd some great insight
[11:36] Ginette Pinazzo: hes our official Art Maze Mediator
[11:36] Blondin Linden: and Im glad to see a tie in with the LEA . They are starting to meet again and COurntey Linden is the liaison there
[11:36] Blondin Linden: I went over this morning to take a look
[11:36] Blondin Linden: looks interesting
[11:37] Blondin Linden: at the regions
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: great...I hope to really work closely with them
[11:37] Blondin Linden: excited to see it come together
[11:37] Blondin Linden: does anyone have any questions for GInette?
[11:37] Blondin Linden: constructive questions :)
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: you wotn se much of the maze sections themsleves until ,the artists start bring them over to fit otgethr...it will look sparse for a whiel
[11:38] Qie Niangao: Is there a chance the artists would be interested in contributing work for other public locations on the continent?
[11:38] Qie Niangao: I mean, as (more or less) permanent installations?
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: I dotn see why you cant ask them Qie...they are all different...difefernt backgrounds...why not ask
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: its a great idea
[11:39] Blondin Linden: and by public.....do you mean Linden land?
[11:39] Qie Niangao: yes
[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: we did solicit artists to design a 'designer' version of the Flickr Slideshow kiosk..for example......
[11:40] Qie Niangao: I mean all the squares, etc, scattered around Kama City, with prims to spare.
[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: bringing artists from all over into Zindra projects is a great way to do outreach
[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: (se we can have multiple styles available)
[11:40] Blondin Linden: well, before we drop any instalations - I'd want to make sure that the piece made sense for where you wanted it to go, get neighbor sign off, things like that
[11:41] Silvanus Northman: ok , I made a small slideshow of the actual state there: http://www.myprimspace.com/Zindra/ArtMazeViews/arTMaze.html
[11:41] Ginette Pinazzo: that soudns like a good beautification AND outreach plan, Qie
[11:41] Qie Niangao: Blondin: yeah, that was what I wanted to say: LDPW should be involved.
[11:41] Blondin Linden: agreed Qie
[11:41] chiman fassbinder: New limited edition liter clams available - We have two new clams that are available for purchase with the liters system. As like all the other ones that are available for purchase with liters they are limited edition. Limited to 100 clams to be sold. They are currently setup with the other pearls that are available for trade in with liters. To answer most of your question, yes there will be other clams that are limited edition that you can earn without liters. However, we may or may not be doing it with the fishing like last time. The limited edition liter clams can be found on the docks that hold all our liter system items.
[11:42] Qie Niangao: (okay, enough about that, till things start happening... I just see a certain synergy between LEA and LDPW -- and Zindra could be a good testbed for it)
[11:42] Lias Leandros: So is it that Qie will volunteer to be some public art Liaison and discuss with Blondin and DPW abbout what pieces from the maze event would fit in public spaces in Zindra?
[11:42] colleen Criss: thats a good idea Q
[11:43] Qie Niangao: (Lias, I just want to get the right people talking... I have very austere taste in art, so definitely not me doing any selecting)
[11:43] Qie Niangao: (god the chatlag is killer here today)
[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: Id say soemoen shoudl write upa proposal for this public space art idea...so we can see the idea in detail
[11:44] Blondin Linden: Sil - you slide show reminded me of the video about the building of the set for HBO's Boardwalk Empire in brooklyn
[11:44] Blondin Linden: Art Maze 2011 Report
[11:44] Lias Leandros: Okthanks Qie
[11:44] Blondin Linden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlpFHcA98-E
[11:44] Blondin Linden: link fail
[11:44] Blondin Linden: Its timelapse and you watch it being built
[11:44] Blondin Linden: pretty cool
[11:44] Blondin Linden: Boardwalk Empire btw is an awesome show. You should watch or pick up the dvds when its out :)
[11:45] Silvanus Northman: oh interesting
[11:45] Silvanus Northman: ty
[11:45] Silvanus Northman: yes I already opened YT : ) ty Blondin
[11:45] colleen Criss: next agenda item?
[11:45] Blondin Linden: Flickr group Content Standards
[11:45] Blondin Linden: this one fell through the Holiday cracks
[11:45] Blondin Linden: can we pick it up next week?
[11:46] colleen Criss: agrees
[11:46] Lias Leandros: OK
[11:46] Silvanus Northman: : )
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: the Fluckr Slideshgow team did write a darft based on yoru thougths Blondin...but it can wait till nexy week
[11:46] Lias Leandros: we alrready discussed Colleen's age verification Kiosk
[11:46] Blondin Linden: Thanks GInette
[11:46] You decline ...::~*Wicked Desires*~::.., Seduction Point (169, 192, 2999) from A group member named Tiff Dreadlow.
[11:46] Blondin Linden: Next: Anonymous Agenda Items
[11:47] colleen Criss: Im sorry Im so lagged I did not mean to jump ahead of line on that one
[11:47] Blondin Linden: Agreed - please sign your name to agenda items :)
[11:47] Blondin Linden: that way I know who to follow up with
[11:47] Lias Leandros: item #2, Item #3 and Item #7 were added by the same person - but that person refuses to addd their name - but shows up here and discusses these items openly - what's that about?
[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: i9s this constructve?
[11:47] Lias Leandros: yes please sign your name
[11:47] Lias Leandros: yes its constructive
[11:47] colleen Criss: Im hoping we can get to Hypatias agenda item
[11:48] Blondin Linden: Yes - lets move onto Hypa's
[11:48] Blondin Linden: Where to take Non-Zindra ADult Issues
[11:48] Blondin Linden: this is a good one :)
[11:48] colleen Criss: yes it is
[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo: Hypa...you're on!
[11:48] Blondin Linden: WIth people coming and going at Linden Lab, I understand the question
[11:48] Blondin Linden: trust me, I've asked it of myself too
[11:49] Hypatia Meili: well this meetin is always to busy & Geral adlut isses efect us zindra bein adult
[11:49] Hypatia Meili: so wher can we go on gral issues like search
[11:49] Garden Erotica InfoGiver: seb31 Columbia entered the defined area. (Adult Community Center <142.78040, 122.83090, 33.09755>)
[11:49] Blondin Linden: Search and Keywords would, I think fall under Sea Linden
[11:49] Hypatia Meili: and what lias metioned early
[11:49] Hypatia Meili: yes but as adult
[11:49] Blondin Linden: I think she also did some work on the events Listings
[11:50] Hypatia Meili: or just search function
[11:50] Hypatia Meili: needs to adress both
[11:50] Blondin Linden: basic search was her thing so if it has to do with Adult, I think she'd want to hear it
[11:50] Hypatia Meili: lias coment on veficatio is another example
[11:50] Hypatia Meili: Lias Leandros: there has to be some information about adult verification made available to non premium accounts
[11:51] Hypatia Meili: another is :
[11:51] Hypatia Meili: Market Place Does NOT ask if you are over 18 it asks if you wish to see mature.
What is our responsiblity if the newly ariving teen resdents buy adult Items?
[11:51] Blondin Linden: they actually do mention Adult and upgrade accounts to access certain things Linden Homes and ADult content when new users sign up
[11:51] Hypatia Meili: idont expected detiled answer her but wher do we go?
[11:52] colleen Criss: if they buy an account but not for basic
[11:52] Lias Leandros: I did not see it Blonndin
[11:52] colleen Criss: I didnt see it
[11:52] Lias Leandros: and I cretaed a 4 screen jpeg of the new user sign up process
[11:52] Lias Leandros: anyone that wants it just ask
[11:52] Blondin Linden: It's there. I saw it last week when we launcedh single sign ins
[11:52] Lias Leandros: I have it in inventory
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[11:53] Hypatia Meili: the question tho is wher to go on geral adult issues not zindra spefic
[11:53] Blondin Linden: as for the marketplace - I'd need t go back and look. But soemthing tells me they wont even be able to use it
[11:53] Hypatia Meili: as tonot try to sqeeze them in here
[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo: is there an OH meeting for Adult issues in general, Blondin.....? n
[11:54] Hypatia Meili: wel we cant test it as non teens, i only see what it says
[11:54] colleen Criss: teens wont be able to use mktplace??
[11:54] Lias Leandros: its really not there Blondin - I signed out of secondlife.com and went through the registration process as a new player
[11:54] Blondin Linden: Hypa - I hate to tell ya - GEneral adult issues are best sent to me, even if they aren't ZIndra related. Hate to dissappoint ya
[11:54] Hypatia Meili: your other OH?
[11:55] Blondin Linden: You can bring them up here as they affect us all
[11:55] colleen Criss: how do you want to recieve it Blondin in a mtg or via notecard , email?
[11:55] Blondin Linden: but if not here - then my Wed OH would be an ok place for it
[11:55] colleen Criss: tsk sorry lol got out of order
[11:55] Hypatia Meili: ok som seemd to object to non zindra isues tho
[11:55] Blondin Linden: any of those are acceptable colleen
[11:55] Blondin Linden: though some work better than others
[11:56] Hypatia Meili: as long as that is ofical
[11:56] colleen Criss: ty :)
[11:56] Hypatia Meili: i try tomake that but you mised few there too
[11:56] Date Bar Infogiver: KittyKat Moonwing entered the defined area. (Adult Community Center <82.78516, 146.99920, 24.84796>)
[11:56] Ginette Pinazzo: Id say open ended questions are what5 use of precious time the most...if its ina proposal form (a solution sduggested) thats best forthese meetinsg....
[11:56] colleen Criss: not all things require a proposal
[11:56] Blondin Linden: Hypa - if its adult related, I think this is a good place for it. If you want to discuss something on more of a 1v1 level, my wed oh have calmed down quiet a bit. (prob bc I've been canceling a lot of them lately)
[11:57] Hypatia Meili: welli ned to reword th market issue then
[11:57] colleen Criss: some just require a question answered
[11:57] Ginette Pinazzo: no...but this is how to get thinsg done.....weve had the endless open ended question before...nothing got done
[11:57] Ginette Pinazzo: you cant avoid soem of them...but its good to try to coem to the table with solutions when possible
[11:57] colleen Criss: then ignore what does not interest you directly Gina
[11:57] colleen Criss: simple
[11:57] Ginette Pinazzo: colleen..stop being so 'neutral'
[11:57] Blondin Linden: Hypa - if you want to discuss soemthing here , just throw it up on the agenda and we'll try to get to it :)
[11:57] Blondin Linden: ok
[11:58] Lias Leandros: good idea Blondin
[11:58] Blondin Linden: I think thats it for this week....
[11:58] Hypatia Meili: ok
[11:58] Blondin Linden: ?
[11:58] colleen Criss: lol god forbid anyone is neutral
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: so Blondin...JAN 10 for the party here? or wherever?
[11:58] Silvanus Northman: ty Blondin : )
[11:58] Blondin Linden: Dec 10th
[11:58] Blondin Linden: ;)
[11:58] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin
[11:58] Lias Leandros: remeber to sign your name and not just "Zindra" hypatia:-)
[11:58] Hypatia Meili: as long as non zindra but adult is permited
[11:58] colleen Criss: thank you Blondin , chat soon
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: I was being facetious colleen.....look it up
[11:58] Blondin Linden: thanks all
[11:58] Silvanus Northman: 10th Dec., ok scheduled : )
[11:58] Zada Bury: thank you for your time , Blondin
[11:58] Hypatia Meili: i diod didnt i?
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao Blondin
[11:58] colleen Criss: why would I look it up Im the retard youd like to think I am
[11:59] Hypatia Meili: by blondin
[11:59] colleen Criss: look that up
[11:59] Dancer Greenfield: Bye Blondin
[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo: I never said you were retarded colleen
[11:59] colleen Criss: then do NOT be condesending to me
[11:59] colleen Criss: its wasted
[11:59] Zada Bury: does somebody knows, why they have roll the sims back to that version, which breaking down, if someone TP in or out?
[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo: same here colleen......keep your petty remarks to your insiode voice
[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao
[11:59] colleen Criss: rofl
[12:00] colleen Criss: hysterical
[12:00] Lias Leandros: In the spirit of Hypatia, I will add the question about the adult verification upon sign up to the agenda when he cleqars it
[12:00] Hypatia Meili: i know there was an issu on tp landin in privat areas due to lag
[12:00] Toran Babenco laughs to himself
[12:00] colleen Criss: Im glad we covered that item !
[12:00] Lias Leandros: One person cannot attribute an agenda item to an entire group - especially if they have not gotten the permission and approval of the group members.
[12:01] Hypatia Meili: i have sevral gues it wiltake awhile
[12:01] colleen Criss: :0dont give up !!
[12:01] colleen Criss: age verify kiosks since 09 but dont give up
[12:01] Hypatia Meili: il metion another to everyone whos stil here
[12:01] colleen Criss: listens
[12:02] Bady Boozehound: happy fun time, party people !
[12:02] Hypatia Meili: mature location with adult keyword now shoow up in adult search instead of being just hidden
[12:02] Lias Leandros: thats better
[12:02] Hypatia Meili: is that policy change or an error
[12:02] Lias Leandros: lol
[12:02] Lias Leandros: I hope a change
[12:02] colleen Criss: if I understand that, according to LLs they re blocking that from all G rated users how I have no clue
[12:03] Hypatia Meili: it means mature location canadvetrise adult activity on mature
[12:03] Lias Leandros: and I would love to see this place wherew new basic accounts are informed of afdult verification that Blondin spoke of
Monday, November 15, 2010
The Wrap: Nov 15th Community Meeting Answers
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hate to do this but I can only stay for 30 minutes today
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1. BED FAIR - http://bedfair.blogspot.com/ (Lias Leandros)
[11:03] Blondin Linden: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: oo lol you beat me
[11:03] colleen Criss: she is waiting approval
[11:03] colleen Criss: from you
[11:04] colleen Criss: time was chosen before Ginette decioded upon her time last week
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: has the proposal bene done with the criteria of the Island Events procedure?>
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: because as of last week,m lias claimed that process was nonsense
[11:05] Blondin Linden: So, of course, I'd love to see even more detail but I like where your going . Right off the bat though - I'm gunna ask that you consider pushing the dates back by 2 weeks.
[11:05] Blondin Linden: To give time for GInette and the Art Maze to conclude
[11:05] colleen Criss: well we can negoicate times
[11:05] colleen Criss: Counter has April and summer is not a good time for large scale events in SL so it will have to have a October Set up time and a november event date
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin..events shoudl hjave abt 3 months average for proper buildup....thats the point of it being a big event, whatever it is
[11:06] colleen Criss: in order to get vendors build set up etc
[11:06] colleen Criss: Gina let Blondin run his mtg
[11:07] Blondin Linden: I do think that you'll need a bit more time in planning this all out which is why details are always a good thing.
[11:07] colleen Criss: are those times acceptable for you Blondin?
[11:08] Blondin Linden: next novemebr?
[11:11] Blondin Linden: ok Colleen, keep work with Lias on it. SOme things I'd still like to see: - include details about Prim needs, land Management, Membership, Group roles and abilities
[11:11] Blondin Linden: and Include a land-use plan (as best as possible at an early stage). This could be a basic diagram and/or well-written explanation.
[11:11] colleen Criss: yes Blondin will do :) ty
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2. Age Verification Kiosks (Colleen Criss)
[11:13] Blondin Linden: So a while back - there was a team working on getting verification into the viewer
[11:13] Blondin Linden: but things happened :) and other issues took priority
[11:14] Blondin Linden: apparently, it's a big deal that'll need both server and viewer work
[11:14] colleen Criss: I have a list on the site of potential HUBS
[11:14] colleen Criss: since it is a PG kiosk
[11:14] Blondin Linden: so I've been sending emails and setting up meetings trying to figure how we (LL) could get this done.
[11:14] Blondin Linden: I'm trying to push the issue b/c I know its imporant
[11:15] Blondin Linden: so no promises
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3. Flickr Kiosk Rules (Blondin Linden)
[11:22] Blondin Linden: so there are some obvious moderation or rules that I think are generally approriate for this kind of thing.
[11:22] Blondin Linden: would u agree, that , in order to place more of these out, that the conent should be of mature nature?
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ie, non explicit?
[11:23] Counter Landfall: actually as neutral as possible
[11:23] Forceme Silverspar: As in PG neutral?
[11:23] Counter Landfall: so the same material could be used on signup
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:23] Blondin Linden: thanks counter - I agree.
11:24] Blondin Linden: I also think that anything that is purly advertizing for one business would be a slippery slope and after awhile - it'll be nothing but adds. So I think anythingn that is clearly an ad shouldnt be allowed.
[11:24] Blondin Linden: Yes?
[11:25] Blondin Linden: along that line - spam and general noise should be filtered out
[11:25] colleen Criss: define please?
[11:25] colleen Criss: an ad so nothing shot at your place of business or any place of business?
[11:25] colleen Criss: no event s at them etc?
[11:26] Counter Landfall: pure info on how to verify
[11:26] Blondin Linden: good point Colleen. I think theres a very blury line there
[11:28] Blondin Linden: Colleen , I think blantant ads will be very obvious.
[11:28] Blondin Linden: if you take pics of your event - thats more of a social setting
[11:28] colleen Criss: I agree with that
[11:28] colleen Criss: but if we hold an event we cant post those photos?
[11:29] Blondin Linden: I think you'd be able to .
[11:30] Blondin Linden: Yeah I'll work on it. THough I want you all to think of the issue of moderation. Not everyone is gunna know these guidless nor should we expect them to. Perhaps the best idea to keep it up to date is to have people here help with that.
[11:30] Blondin Linden: So think about that - if it makes sense
[11:30] Blondin Linden: other wise, we're going to have issues in scalability :)
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1. BED FAIR - http://bedfair.blogspot.com/ (Lias Leandros)
[11:03] Blondin Linden: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: oo lol you beat me
[11:03] colleen Criss: she is waiting approval
[11:03] colleen Criss: from you
[11:04] colleen Criss: time was chosen before Ginette decioded upon her time last week
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: has the proposal bene done with the criteria of the Island Events procedure?>
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: because as of last week,m lias claimed that process was nonsense
[11:05] Blondin Linden: So, of course, I'd love to see even more detail but I like where your going . Right off the bat though - I'm gunna ask that you consider pushing the dates back by 2 weeks.
[11:05] Blondin Linden: To give time for GInette and the Art Maze to conclude
[11:05] colleen Criss: well we can negoicate times
[11:05] colleen Criss: Counter has April and summer is not a good time for large scale events in SL so it will have to have a October Set up time and a november event date
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin..events shoudl hjave abt 3 months average for proper buildup....thats the point of it being a big event, whatever it is
[11:06] colleen Criss: in order to get vendors build set up etc
[11:06] colleen Criss: Gina let Blondin run his mtg
[11:07] Blondin Linden: I do think that you'll need a bit more time in planning this all out which is why details are always a good thing.
[11:07] colleen Criss: are those times acceptable for you Blondin?
[11:08] Blondin Linden: next novemebr?
[11:11] Blondin Linden: ok Colleen, keep work with Lias on it. SOme things I'd still like to see: - include details about Prim needs, land Management, Membership, Group roles and abilities
[11:11] Blondin Linden: and Include a land-use plan (as best as possible at an early stage). This could be a basic diagram and/or well-written explanation.
[11:11] colleen Criss: yes Blondin will do :) ty
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2. Age Verification Kiosks (Colleen Criss)
[11:13] Blondin Linden: So a while back - there was a team working on getting verification into the viewer
[11:13] Blondin Linden: but things happened :) and other issues took priority
[11:14] Blondin Linden: apparently, it's a big deal that'll need both server and viewer work
[11:14] colleen Criss: I have a list on the site of potential HUBS
[11:14] colleen Criss: since it is a PG kiosk
[11:14] Blondin Linden: so I've been sending emails and setting up meetings trying to figure how we (LL) could get this done.
[11:14] Blondin Linden: I'm trying to push the issue b/c I know its imporant
[11:15] Blondin Linden: so no promises
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3. Flickr Kiosk Rules (Blondin Linden)
[11:22] Blondin Linden: so there are some obvious moderation or rules that I think are generally approriate for this kind of thing.
[11:22] Blondin Linden: would u agree, that , in order to place more of these out, that the conent should be of mature nature?
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ie, non explicit?
[11:23] Counter Landfall: actually as neutral as possible
[11:23] Forceme Silverspar: As in PG neutral?
[11:23] Counter Landfall: so the same material could be used on signup
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:23] Blondin Linden: thanks counter - I agree.
11:24] Blondin Linden: I also think that anything that is purly advertizing for one business would be a slippery slope and after awhile - it'll be nothing but adds. So I think anythingn that is clearly an ad shouldnt be allowed.
[11:24] Blondin Linden: Yes?
[11:25] Blondin Linden: along that line - spam and general noise should be filtered out
[11:25] colleen Criss: define please?
[11:25] colleen Criss: an ad so nothing shot at your place of business or any place of business?
[11:25] colleen Criss: no event s at them etc?
[11:26] Counter Landfall: pure info on how to verify
[11:26] Blondin Linden: good point Colleen. I think theres a very blury line there
[11:28] Blondin Linden: Colleen , I think blantant ads will be very obvious.
[11:28] Blondin Linden: if you take pics of your event - thats more of a social setting
[11:28] colleen Criss: I agree with that
[11:28] colleen Criss: but if we hold an event we cant post those photos?
[11:29] Blondin Linden: I think you'd be able to .
[11:30] Blondin Linden: Yeah I'll work on it. THough I want you all to think of the issue of moderation. Not everyone is gunna know these guidless nor should we expect them to. Perhaps the best idea to keep it up to date is to have people here help with that.
[11:30] Blondin Linden: So think about that - if it makes sense
[11:30] Blondin Linden: other wise, we're going to have issues in scalability :)
Blondin's OH MTG Text 11/15/10
[10:51] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Toran Babenco (1m)[10:54] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Ginette Pinazzo (13m)[10:55] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Zada Bury (7m)[10:55] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Counter Landfall (19m)
[10:55] Zada Bury: greetings around
[10:55] Counter Landfall: Hi everyone
[10:55] Zada Bury: *~~silencepurr~~*
[10:55] colleen Criss: hello Counter, Zada, Ginette
[10:55] Ginette Pinazzo: oh, Hi Zada
[10:55] Zada Bury: not blue today you two?
[10:56] Counter Landfall: blue?
[10:56] Zada Bury: Toran and Colleen ^.^
[10:56] Zada Bury: last week was navi-time
[10:56] colleen Criss: Toran is brb to RL
[10:56] colleen Criss: oooo
[10:56] colleen Criss: lol
[10:56] colleen Criss: those were cool huh
[10:56] Zada Bury: I know them
[10:57] Zada Bury: but they are pretty expensive
[10:57] Zada Bury: one shop wanted 2k
[10:57] colleen Criss: we had fun with that
[10:57] colleen Criss: yes
[10:57] Zada Bury: at least as the movie was on
[10:59] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Kaddan Yue (13m)
[11:00] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Marideath Morpork (13m)
[11:00] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Forceme Silverspar (12m)
[11:00] Zada Bury: heya Forceme ^_^
[11:00] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Kaddan....Hi Force
[11:00] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: NikoKito Aries (7m)
[11:01] Forceme Silverspar: Hiya Zada, Ginette, everyone.
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Kaddan and Forceme
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Silvanus Northman (19m)
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Brenton Xaris (12m)
[11:01] Silvanus Northman: hi all,
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Qie Niangao (7m)
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Silvanus
[11:01] Zada Bury: oh, there over ... heya all the "newcome-inn-ers"
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hey all
[11:01] Marideath Morpork: hello
[11:01] Zada Bury: I see blondin
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Forceme Silverspar: Hiya Blondin.
[11:01] Zada Bury: heya Blondin, welcome today
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Mari!
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hate to do this but I can only stay for 30 minutes today
[11:01] NikoKito Aries: hola
[11:01] NikoKito Aries: (es->en) hello
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Dora Gustafson (13m)
[11:01] Blondin Linden: Im sorry
[11:01] Blondin Linden: :(
[11:01] Marideath Morpork: Hello Gina
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: Hi Dora : )
[11:02] colleen Criss: hello everyone :)
[11:02] Counter Landfall: np
[11:02] Blondin Linden: so with that inmind, we should dive into the agenda
[11:02] Zada Bury: well ... next week then 90 minutes ^.^
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: ok lets dive!
[11:02] Zada Bury: yes, hurry
[11:02] Blondin Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Blondin_Linden's_Zindra_Office_Hour_Agenda
[11:02] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Tia Renfort (13m)
[11:02] Forceme Silverspar: Run!
[11:02] Blondin Linden: First up was by :ias
[11:02] Blondin Linden: Lias
[11:02] colleen Criss: Ill rep for her if that is ok
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: hi tia : )
[11:02] Blondin Linden: is she here?
[11:02] Tia Renfort: hello everyone
[11:02] colleen Criss: she had rl to tend
[11:03] Blondin Linden: understandable
[11:03] Tia Renfort: hello Sil
[11:03] Blondin Linden: Sure Colleen, do u want to tell us about the BEd Faire?
[11:03] Blondin Linden: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: oo lol you beat me
[11:03] colleen Criss: she is waiting approval
[11:03] colleen Criss: from you
[11:04] colleen Criss: time was chosen before Ginette decioded upon her time last week
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: has the proposal bene done with the criteria of the Island Events procedure?>
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: because as of last week,m lias claimed that process was nonsense
[11:04] colleen Criss: open the link
[11:04] colleen Criss: you can see
[11:05] colleen Criss: keep your stones Gina , she has her proposal up
[11:05] colleen Criss: open the link
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: do not talk abt stones, colleen...remain professional
[11:05] colleen Criss: lol
[11:05] Blondin Linden: So, of course, I'd love to see even more detail but I like where your going . Right off the bat though - I'm gunna ask that you consider pushing the dates back by 2 weeks.
[11:05] Blondin Linden: To give time for GInette and the Art Maze to conclude
[11:05] colleen Criss: well we can negoicate times
[11:05] colleen Criss: Counter has April and summer is not a good time for large scale events in SL so it will have to have a October Set up time and a november event date
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin..events shoudl hjave abt 3 months average for proper buildup....thats the point of it being a big event, whatever it is
[11:06] colleen Criss: in order to get vendors build set up etc
[11:06] colleen Criss: Gina let Blondin run his mtg
[11:07] Blondin Linden: I do think that you'll need a bit more time in planning this all out which is why details are always a good thing.
[11:07] colleen Criss: are those times acceptable for you Blondin?
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: and coubntyerd oesnt 'have' arpil.......he has not doen his actual proposal yet
[11:07] colleen Criss: shoot for novemeber then?
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: *counmter
[11:07] colleen Criss: Gina,
[11:08] colleen Criss: dont speak for oter ppl
[11:08] colleen Criss: wait your turn
[11:08] Blondin Linden: next novemebr?
[11:08] Qie Niangao: confused: I'm seeing a February date on the proposal... ??
[11:08] colleen Criss: yes Blondin :)
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: I am speaking for the procvess that was agreed upon.....proposal first, then approval....simple order
[11:08] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Youri Ashton (7m)
[11:08] colleen Criss: Lias is willing to take her turn
[11:08] colleen Criss: NOT all agreed Gina
[11:08] colleen Criss: do your own thing
[11:08] colleen Criss: Im speaking with Blondin
[11:09] Blondin Linden: Counter - the Zexpo you want to plan for April - how much build up time / prep will you need?[11:09] Counter Landfall: since the vent is only for a werek, max 3 weeks before is good
[11:09] Counter Landfall: wek*
[11:09] colleen Criss: Qie, that was Lias original date but it was taken by Gina
[11:09] Counter Landfall: week* - I think my keyboard is stuck, haha
[11:10] Youri Ashton: hello all!
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: colleen...stop lyinmbg in public..your facsta re wronmg[11:10] Youri Ashton: hey blondin :)
[11:10] colleen Criss: Gina
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: colleen
[11:10] colleen Criss: youre going to mute any second now
[11:10] colleen Criss: I never lie
[11:10] colleen Criss: tend your biz
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: well youve bene misled by lias, sorry.......
[11:10] colleen Criss: stop harrassing me :)
[11:10] Qie Niangao: oh, thanks colleen... but I thought it just had to push 2 weeks to make room... then after the Bed thing, Counter's thing
[11:10] colleen Criss: NOT your biz again Gina
[11:11] Blondin Linden: ok Colleen, keep work with Lias on it. SOme things I'd still like to see: - include details about Prim needs, land Management, Membership, Group roles and abilities
[11:11] Blondin Linden: and Include a land-use plan (as best as possible at an early stage). This could be a basic diagram and/or well-written explanation.
[11:11] colleen Criss: yes Blondin will do :) ty
[11:11] Youri Ashton: calm down already, no need for a cat fight ^_^
[11:11] colleen Criss: never cat fight :) Im a lady
[11:11] Blondin Linden: also take a look at your timeline and adjust as needed.
[11:11] Blondin Linden: ok
[11:11] Blondin Linden: moving on
[11:11] colleen Criss: yes we will ty :)
[11:11] Blondin Linden: next
[11:12] Blondin Linden: Age Verification Kiosks
[11:12] Blondin Linden: THis was a COlleen item
[11:12] colleen Criss: Ive updated those again
[11:12] Blondin Linden: I'll admit, this one is my bad
[11:12] Blondin Linden: oh you have/[
11:12] Blondin Linden: great
[11:12] colleen Criss: yes
[11:12] colleen Criss: V2 will drop a folder
[11:12] colleen Criss: v1 opens the web
[11:12] Youri Ashton: age vervication kiosks?
[11:13] Youri Ashton: lol, i been away too long i see :p\
[11:13] Blondin Linden: information on how to verify
[11:13] Forceme Silverspar: I am confused. Are there two kiosks going about?
[11:13] colleen Criss: Ill pass you one Blondin
[11:13] Youri Ashton: i understood that blondin
[11:13] Items successfully shared.
[11:13] Blondin Linden: So a while back - there was a team working on getting verification into the viewer
[11:13] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Redlag Mayo (7m)
[11:13] Items successfully shared.
[11:13] Youri Ashton: ah ok
[11:13] Blondin Linden: but things happened :) and other issues took priority
[11:14] Blondin Linden: apparently, it's a big deal that'll need both server and viewer work
[11:14] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Skygirl Kline (19m)
[11:14] colleen Criss: I have a list on the site of potential HUBS
[11:14] colleen Criss: since it is a PG kiosk
[11:14] Blondin Linden: so I've been sending emails and setting up meetings trying to figure how we (LL) could get this done.
[11:14] Silvanus Northman: well colleen, no Adult adverts on PG I hope
[11:14] Youri Ashton: it should indeed work both on server as viewer, else its useless :p
[11:14] Blondin Linden: I'm trying to push the issue b/c I know its imporant
[11:14] colleen Criss: no but it could go to G
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin, this one that coleen has done does the same job but less than the Flickr Slideshow kiosk.
[11:15] Blondin Linden: so no promises
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Is that right?
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Seems to me two products are being developed to do the same job, I am confused?
[11:15] colleen Criss: mine can be set down anywhere
[11:16] colleen Criss: 1 script
[11:16] colleen Criss: 4 prims
[11:16] colleen Criss: no visuals
[11:16] Counter Landfall: untextured?
[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: actually, if its poitning to that wiki page, the slideshow kisok always had that as one iof its 3 'inrofmnation balls'[11:16] Forceme Silverspar: Can we not have one big ZINDRA product? Wouldn't that work better?
[11:16] Forceme Silverspar: Than two that might confuse the new folks?
[11:16] Blondin Linden: not quite. This one gives info on how to verify and while the FLickr one does as well, its more of a....picture show to raise awareness
[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: hey if theres room at infohubs for both, why not?
[11:17] Forceme Silverspar: The coleen one is slimline version, then.
[11:17] Qie Niangao: (colleen, does the content come from the kiosk itself, or a central server?)
[11:17] colleen Criss: this can be set out on M HUBs
[11:17] colleen Criss: the kiosk
[11:17] Silvanus Northman: both version have its goodies
[11:17] colleen Criss: by folder
[11:17] colleen Criss: or by web
[11:18] colleen Criss: we were told we could not have a server one
[11:18] Forceme Silverspar: I think it would have more impact if it wasjust one product. Just my view eh.
[11:18] Qie Niangao: oh right
[11:18] Blondin Linden: ok lets keep truckin!
[11:18] Blondin Linden: next :)
[11:18] colleen Criss: this never needs one anyhow as long as wiki stays upto date
[11:18] Qie Niangao: (forgot, sorry. just thinking of the pain to update content if it's local)
[11:18] Youri Ashton: that kiosk should work on LL servers, not any other way. that gives more savety to all
[11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: (dotnm forget to mark action items for the agenda for teh wiki, Blondin!)
[11:18] Blondin Linden: Flickr Group Pool Content Standards
[11:19] Blondin Linden: so, now that the group is set up - we should prob talk about moderation
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: you were going to come back witha darft on that, Blondin
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: *draft
[11:20] Blondin Linden: so I have some ideas kicking around
[11:20] Youri Ashton: strange question perhaps, but did any of you think about disabilities yet? enough people with disabilities like to join in as well @ Zindra, but can not due to the lack of disability aid.
[11:21] Blondin Linden: well - first - can we agree that the it'll need some sort of moderation? DOes anyone disagree with that?
[11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree
[11:21] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:21] Silvanus Northman: will keep that in mind Youri, ty
[11:21] colleen Criss: agrees
[11:21] Youri Ashton: its just a matter of time before more groups of people with disabilities join SL and join your communities
[11:22] colleen Criss: Youri , :) good idea create a propoal, if you need help let any of us know :)
[11:22] Blondin Linden: so there are some obvious moderation or rules that I think are generally approriate for this kind of thing.
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: (youri....good topic..if it is Zindra related, you shoudl get that on the agenda for an upcmingh meeting)
[11:22] Youri Ashton: and I was not even speaking about things like autism, but more like wheelchair friendly places and for people with visual disabilities
[11:22] colleen Criss: listens for Blondin
[11:22] Blondin Linden: would u agree, that , in order to place more of these out, that the conent should be of mature nature?
[11:22] Youri Ashton: ginette, hardly have the time myself, just on since i had some time to spare :)
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ie, non explicit?
[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Blondin
[11:23] colleen Criss: agrees Blondin
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes Blondin
[11:23] Counter Landfall: actually as neutral as possible
[11:23] Forceme Silverspar: As in PG neutral?
[11:23] Counter Landfall: so the same material could be used on signup
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:23] Blondin Linden: thanks counter - I agree.
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[11:24] Blondin Linden: I also think that anything that is purly advertizing for one business would be a slippery slope and after awhile - it'll be nothing but adds. So I think anythingn that is clearly an ad shouldnt be allowed.
[11:24] Blondin Linden: Yes?
[11:24] Qie Niangao: yes
[11:24] Silvanus Northman: yep
[11:24] Youri Ashton: I think LL should not bother taking over the work done by the residents on mature/adult matters. Although working genitals could work for example.
[11:25] Counter Landfall: agreed
[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: Hmm....
[11:25] Blondin Linden: along that line - spam and general noise should be filtered out[
11:25] colleen Criss: define please?
[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: I think that's gonna be hard to police.
[11:25] Youri Ashton: besides that, if LL took over, it most likely would be killed by the laws LL has to obay, which rather kills everything
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Blondin...whoelheartedly
[11:25] colleen Criss: an ad so nothing shot at your place of business or any place of business?
[11:25] colleen Criss: no event s at them etc?
[11:26] Counter Landfall: pure info on how to verify
[11:26] Blondin Linden: good point Colleen. I think theres a very blury line there
[11:26] Forceme Silverspar: I don't see what insentive people would have to upload their pics.
[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: Moderation is like Curating an art show....certain standards would be upheld.....thats normal
[11:26] Silvanus Northman: yes colleen no business, just to make them curious for adult
[11:26] Counter Landfall: and what you could expect to find there - in general terms[11:26] Silvanus Northman: : ) ty counter
[11:26] colleen Criss: how do you propose to generate business then for Zindra? if no one knows what is here?
[11:26] colleen Criss: I think no XXX is a great idea
[11:27] colleen Criss: no nudity even
[11:27] Silvanus Northman: well we dont speak about business now colleen, we speak about SL and its Adult part
[11:27] colleen Criss: but we have a gallery
[11:27] Kaddan Yue: is this not a adult sim, so now we are going to be bias
[11:27] Youri Ashton: would it not be better to leave the policing to a special admin group made out of residents? that havve the ability to kick, freeze and return items when needed.
[11:27] Blondin Linden: Forceme - there is no REAL incentive other than simply sharing your time/experience on ZIndra with others. THose who are into that will be happy to post w/o getting something in return.
[11:27] Silvanus Northman: adverts can be done by well organized private slideshows...
[11:28] Blondin Linden: Colleen , I think blantant ads will be very obvious.
[11:28] Youri Ashton: they could handle also foul language use for example IF the owner of that land disallowes that in that sim/land or however stated
[11:28] Forceme Silverspar: Thank you Blondin, I can see that. I have uploaded some of my pics :0
[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: if it helps, view it as an art show.......sort of....not an advertising vehcile
[11:28] Blondin Linden: if you take pics of your event - thats more of a social setting
[11:28] colleen Criss: I agree with that
[11:28] colleen Criss: but if we hold an event we cant post those photos?
[11:29] Forceme Silverspar: Depends if it is a clead Ad?
[11:29] Forceme Silverspar: Clear.
[11:29] colleen Criss: sorry laggin terribly
[11:29] Youri Ashton: LL won't have to do much more then helping out with the harder cases, incase someone needs to be banned for example, and the people in zindra only need to bother with that policing group
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin....do you or will yuo have yur draft posted somewhere we can read? and think over?
[11:29] Blondin Linden: I think you'd be able to .
[11:29] Youri Ashton: takes preasure away from both sides
[11:29] colleen Criss: ok ty Blondin
[11:30] Kaddan Yue: So we are going Mature in other words, I so don't get this[11:30] Blondin Linden: Yeah I'll work on it. THough I want you all to think of the issue of moderation. Not everyone is gunna know these guidless nor should we expect them to. Perhaps the best idea to keep it up to date is to have people here help with that.
[11:30] Blondin Linden: So think about that - if it makes sense
[11:30] Blondin Linden: other wise, we're going to have issues in scalability :)
[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: so whast the next step exactly?[11:31] colleen Criss: it does
[11:31] Youri Ashton: blondin, think you should take my idea in concideration. its both good for zindra as LL
[11:31] Blondin Linden: so I am actually out of time but let me take a look at the wiki and see if theres anything I should touch upon
[11:32] Blondin Linden: youri, Im thinking your on the right track
[11:32] Zada Bury: Before you hide fast: Thank you for the short time this week ... and see you next week, Blondin. =^_^=
[11:32] Youri Ashton: I know i am, lol. i did not randomly shout out something :)
[11:32] Blondin Linden: hahah
[11:32] Forceme Silverspar: Thanks Blondin, until next time.
[11:32] Youri Ashton: I been telling that from the start
[11:32] Youri Ashton: lol
[11:32] Blondin Linden: I think the rest can wait.
[11:32] Blondin Linden: Thanks all
[11:32] Blondin Linden: ttyl
[11:32] Counter Landfall: cheers
[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao
[11:32] colleen Criss: ty
[11:32] Zada Bury: *purrs*
[11:32] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin
[11:32] Silvanus Northman: ty Blondin : )
[11:32] Youri Ashton: thanks for having us blondin
[11:32] Redlag Mayo: bye Blondin
[10:55] Zada Bury: greetings around
[10:55] Counter Landfall: Hi everyone
[10:55] Zada Bury: *~~silencepurr~~*
[10:55] colleen Criss: hello Counter, Zada, Ginette
[10:55] Ginette Pinazzo: oh, Hi Zada
[10:55] Zada Bury: not blue today you two?
[10:56] Counter Landfall: blue?
[10:56] Zada Bury: Toran and Colleen ^.^
[10:56] Zada Bury: last week was navi-time
[10:56] colleen Criss: Toran is brb to RL
[10:56] colleen Criss: oooo
[10:56] colleen Criss: lol
[10:56] colleen Criss: those were cool huh
[10:56] Zada Bury: I know them
[10:57] Zada Bury: but they are pretty expensive
[10:57] Zada Bury: one shop wanted 2k
[10:57] colleen Criss: we had fun with that
[10:57] colleen Criss: yes
[10:57] Zada Bury: at least as the movie was on
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[11:00] Zada Bury: heya Forceme ^_^
[11:00] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Kaddan....Hi Force
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[11:01] Forceme Silverspar: Hiya Zada, Ginette, everyone.
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Kaddan and Forceme
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[11:01] Silvanus Northman: hi all,
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Qie Niangao (7m)
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Silvanus
[11:01] Zada Bury: oh, there over ... heya all the "newcome-inn-ers"
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hey all
[11:01] Marideath Morpork: hello
[11:01] Zada Bury: I see blondin
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Forceme Silverspar: Hiya Blondin.
[11:01] Zada Bury: heya Blondin, welcome today
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Mari!
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hate to do this but I can only stay for 30 minutes today
[11:01] NikoKito Aries: hola
[11:01] NikoKito Aries: (es->en) hello
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[11:01] Blondin Linden: Im sorry
[11:01] Blondin Linden: :(
[11:01] Marideath Morpork: Hello Gina
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: Hi Dora : )
[11:02] colleen Criss: hello everyone :)
[11:02] Counter Landfall: np
[11:02] Blondin Linden: so with that inmind, we should dive into the agenda
[11:02] Zada Bury: well ... next week then 90 minutes ^.^
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: ok lets dive!
[11:02] Zada Bury: yes, hurry
[11:02] Blondin Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Blondin_Linden's_Zindra_Office_Hour_Agenda
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[11:02] Forceme Silverspar: Run!
[11:02] Blondin Linden: First up was by :ias
[11:02] Blondin Linden: Lias
[11:02] colleen Criss: Ill rep for her if that is ok
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: hi tia : )
[11:02] Blondin Linden: is she here?
[11:02] Tia Renfort: hello everyone
[11:02] colleen Criss: she had rl to tend
[11:03] Blondin Linden: understandable
[11:03] Tia Renfort: hello Sil
[11:03] Blondin Linden: Sure Colleen, do u want to tell us about the BEd Faire?
[11:03] Blondin Linden: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: oo lol you beat me
[11:03] colleen Criss: she is waiting approval
[11:03] colleen Criss: from you
[11:04] colleen Criss: time was chosen before Ginette decioded upon her time last week
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: has the proposal bene done with the criteria of the Island Events procedure?>
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: because as of last week,m lias claimed that process was nonsense
[11:04] colleen Criss: open the link
[11:04] colleen Criss: you can see
[11:05] colleen Criss: keep your stones Gina , she has her proposal up
[11:05] colleen Criss: open the link
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: do not talk abt stones, colleen...remain professional
[11:05] colleen Criss: lol
[11:05] Blondin Linden: So, of course, I'd love to see even more detail but I like where your going . Right off the bat though - I'm gunna ask that you consider pushing the dates back by 2 weeks.
[11:05] Blondin Linden: To give time for GInette and the Art Maze to conclude
[11:05] colleen Criss: well we can negoicate times
[11:05] colleen Criss: Counter has April and summer is not a good time for large scale events in SL so it will have to have a October Set up time and a november event date
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin..events shoudl hjave abt 3 months average for proper buildup....thats the point of it being a big event, whatever it is
[11:06] colleen Criss: in order to get vendors build set up etc
[11:06] colleen Criss: Gina let Blondin run his mtg
[11:07] Blondin Linden: I do think that you'll need a bit more time in planning this all out which is why details are always a good thing.
[11:07] colleen Criss: are those times acceptable for you Blondin?
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: and coubntyerd oesnt 'have' arpil.......he has not doen his actual proposal yet
[11:07] colleen Criss: shoot for novemeber then?
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: *counmter
[11:07] colleen Criss: Gina,
[11:08] colleen Criss: dont speak for oter ppl
[11:08] colleen Criss: wait your turn
[11:08] Blondin Linden: next novemebr?
[11:08] Qie Niangao: confused: I'm seeing a February date on the proposal... ??
[11:08] colleen Criss: yes Blondin :)
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: I am speaking for the procvess that was agreed upon.....proposal first, then approval....simple order
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[11:08] colleen Criss: Lias is willing to take her turn
[11:08] colleen Criss: NOT all agreed Gina
[11:08] colleen Criss: do your own thing
[11:08] colleen Criss: Im speaking with Blondin
[11:09] Blondin Linden: Counter - the Zexpo you want to plan for April - how much build up time / prep will you need?[11:09] Counter Landfall: since the vent is only for a werek, max 3 weeks before is good
[11:09] Counter Landfall: wek*
[11:09] colleen Criss: Qie, that was Lias original date but it was taken by Gina
[11:09] Counter Landfall: week* - I think my keyboard is stuck, haha
[11:10] Youri Ashton: hello all!
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: colleen...stop lyinmbg in public..your facsta re wronmg[11:10] Youri Ashton: hey blondin :)
[11:10] colleen Criss: Gina
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: colleen
[11:10] colleen Criss: youre going to mute any second now
[11:10] colleen Criss: I never lie
[11:10] colleen Criss: tend your biz
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: well youve bene misled by lias, sorry.......
[11:10] colleen Criss: stop harrassing me :)
[11:10] Qie Niangao: oh, thanks colleen... but I thought it just had to push 2 weeks to make room... then after the Bed thing, Counter's thing
[11:10] colleen Criss: NOT your biz again Gina
[11:11] Blondin Linden: ok Colleen, keep work with Lias on it. SOme things I'd still like to see: - include details about Prim needs, land Management, Membership, Group roles and abilities
[11:11] Blondin Linden: and Include a land-use plan (as best as possible at an early stage). This could be a basic diagram and/or well-written explanation.
[11:11] colleen Criss: yes Blondin will do :) ty
[11:11] Youri Ashton: calm down already, no need for a cat fight ^_^
[11:11] colleen Criss: never cat fight :) Im a lady
[11:11] Blondin Linden: also take a look at your timeline and adjust as needed.
[11:11] Blondin Linden: ok
[11:11] Blondin Linden: moving on
[11:11] colleen Criss: yes we will ty :)
[11:11] Blondin Linden: next
[11:12] Blondin Linden: Age Verification Kiosks
[11:12] Blondin Linden: THis was a COlleen item
[11:12] colleen Criss: Ive updated those again
[11:12] Blondin Linden: I'll admit, this one is my bad
[11:12] Blondin Linden: oh you have/[
11:12] Blondin Linden: great
[11:12] colleen Criss: yes
[11:12] colleen Criss: V2 will drop a folder
[11:12] colleen Criss: v1 opens the web
[11:12] Youri Ashton: age vervication kiosks?
[11:13] Youri Ashton: lol, i been away too long i see :p\
[11:13] Blondin Linden: information on how to verify
[11:13] Forceme Silverspar: I am confused. Are there two kiosks going about?
[11:13] colleen Criss: Ill pass you one Blondin
[11:13] Youri Ashton: i understood that blondin
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[11:13] Blondin Linden: So a while back - there was a team working on getting verification into the viewer
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[11:13] Youri Ashton: ah ok
[11:13] Blondin Linden: but things happened :) and other issues took priority
[11:14] Blondin Linden: apparently, it's a big deal that'll need both server and viewer work
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[11:14] colleen Criss: I have a list on the site of potential HUBS
[11:14] colleen Criss: since it is a PG kiosk
[11:14] Blondin Linden: so I've been sending emails and setting up meetings trying to figure how we (LL) could get this done.
[11:14] Silvanus Northman: well colleen, no Adult adverts on PG I hope
[11:14] Youri Ashton: it should indeed work both on server as viewer, else its useless :p
[11:14] Blondin Linden: I'm trying to push the issue b/c I know its imporant
[11:14] colleen Criss: no but it could go to G
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin, this one that coleen has done does the same job but less than the Flickr Slideshow kiosk.
[11:15] Blondin Linden: so no promises
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Is that right?
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Seems to me two products are being developed to do the same job, I am confused?
[11:15] colleen Criss: mine can be set down anywhere
[11:16] colleen Criss: 1 script
[11:16] colleen Criss: 4 prims
[11:16] colleen Criss: no visuals
[11:16] Counter Landfall: untextured?
[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: actually, if its poitning to that wiki page, the slideshow kisok always had that as one iof its 3 'inrofmnation balls'[11:16] Forceme Silverspar: Can we not have one big ZINDRA product? Wouldn't that work better?
[11:16] Forceme Silverspar: Than two that might confuse the new folks?
[11:16] Blondin Linden: not quite. This one gives info on how to verify and while the FLickr one does as well, its more of a....picture show to raise awareness
[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: hey if theres room at infohubs for both, why not?
[11:17] Forceme Silverspar: The coleen one is slimline version, then.
[11:17] Qie Niangao: (colleen, does the content come from the kiosk itself, or a central server?)
[11:17] colleen Criss: this can be set out on M HUBs
[11:17] colleen Criss: the kiosk
[11:17] Silvanus Northman: both version have its goodies
[11:17] colleen Criss: by folder
[11:17] colleen Criss: or by web
[11:18] colleen Criss: we were told we could not have a server one
[11:18] Forceme Silverspar: I think it would have more impact if it wasjust one product. Just my view eh.
[11:18] Qie Niangao: oh right
[11:18] Blondin Linden: ok lets keep truckin!
[11:18] Blondin Linden: next :)
[11:18] colleen Criss: this never needs one anyhow as long as wiki stays upto date
[11:18] Qie Niangao: (forgot, sorry. just thinking of the pain to update content if it's local)
[11:18] Youri Ashton: that kiosk should work on LL servers, not any other way. that gives more savety to all
[11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: (dotnm forget to mark action items for the agenda for teh wiki, Blondin!)
[11:18] Blondin Linden: Flickr Group Pool Content Standards
[11:19] Blondin Linden: so, now that the group is set up - we should prob talk about moderation
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: you were going to come back witha darft on that, Blondin
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: *draft
[11:20] Blondin Linden: so I have some ideas kicking around
[11:20] Youri Ashton: strange question perhaps, but did any of you think about disabilities yet? enough people with disabilities like to join in as well @ Zindra, but can not due to the lack of disability aid.
[11:21] Blondin Linden: well - first - can we agree that the it'll need some sort of moderation? DOes anyone disagree with that?
[11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree
[11:21] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:21] Silvanus Northman: will keep that in mind Youri, ty
[11:21] colleen Criss: agrees
[11:21] Youri Ashton: its just a matter of time before more groups of people with disabilities join SL and join your communities
[11:22] colleen Criss: Youri , :) good idea create a propoal, if you need help let any of us know :)
[11:22] Blondin Linden: so there are some obvious moderation or rules that I think are generally approriate for this kind of thing.
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: (youri....good topic..if it is Zindra related, you shoudl get that on the agenda for an upcmingh meeting)
[11:22] Youri Ashton: and I was not even speaking about things like autism, but more like wheelchair friendly places and for people with visual disabilities
[11:22] colleen Criss: listens for Blondin
[11:22] Blondin Linden: would u agree, that , in order to place more of these out, that the conent should be of mature nature?
[11:22] Youri Ashton: ginette, hardly have the time myself, just on since i had some time to spare :)
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ie, non explicit?
[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Blondin
[11:23] colleen Criss: agrees Blondin
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes Blondin
[11:23] Counter Landfall: actually as neutral as possible
[11:23] Forceme Silverspar: As in PG neutral?
[11:23] Counter Landfall: so the same material could be used on signup
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:23] Blondin Linden: thanks counter - I agree.
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[11:24] Blondin Linden: I also think that anything that is purly advertizing for one business would be a slippery slope and after awhile - it'll be nothing but adds. So I think anythingn that is clearly an ad shouldnt be allowed.
[11:24] Blondin Linden: Yes?
[11:24] Qie Niangao: yes
[11:24] Silvanus Northman: yep
[11:24] Youri Ashton: I think LL should not bother taking over the work done by the residents on mature/adult matters. Although working genitals could work for example.
[11:25] Counter Landfall: agreed
[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: Hmm....
[11:25] Blondin Linden: along that line - spam and general noise should be filtered out[
11:25] colleen Criss: define please?
[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: I think that's gonna be hard to police.
[11:25] Youri Ashton: besides that, if LL took over, it most likely would be killed by the laws LL has to obay, which rather kills everything
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Blondin...whoelheartedly
[11:25] colleen Criss: an ad so nothing shot at your place of business or any place of business?
[11:25] colleen Criss: no event s at them etc?
[11:26] Counter Landfall: pure info on how to verify
[11:26] Blondin Linden: good point Colleen. I think theres a very blury line there
[11:26] Forceme Silverspar: I don't see what insentive people would have to upload their pics.
[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: Moderation is like Curating an art show....certain standards would be upheld.....thats normal
[11:26] Silvanus Northman: yes colleen no business, just to make them curious for adult
[11:26] Counter Landfall: and what you could expect to find there - in general terms[11:26] Silvanus Northman: : ) ty counter
[11:26] colleen Criss: how do you propose to generate business then for Zindra? if no one knows what is here?
[11:26] colleen Criss: I think no XXX is a great idea
[11:27] colleen Criss: no nudity even
[11:27] Silvanus Northman: well we dont speak about business now colleen, we speak about SL and its Adult part
[11:27] colleen Criss: but we have a gallery
[11:27] Kaddan Yue: is this not a adult sim, so now we are going to be bias
[11:27] Youri Ashton: would it not be better to leave the policing to a special admin group made out of residents? that havve the ability to kick, freeze and return items when needed.
[11:27] Blondin Linden: Forceme - there is no REAL incentive other than simply sharing your time/experience on ZIndra with others. THose who are into that will be happy to post w/o getting something in return.
[11:27] Silvanus Northman: adverts can be done by well organized private slideshows...
[11:28] Blondin Linden: Colleen , I think blantant ads will be very obvious.
[11:28] Youri Ashton: they could handle also foul language use for example IF the owner of that land disallowes that in that sim/land or however stated
[11:28] Forceme Silverspar: Thank you Blondin, I can see that. I have uploaded some of my pics :0
[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: if it helps, view it as an art show.......sort of....not an advertising vehcile
[11:28] Blondin Linden: if you take pics of your event - thats more of a social setting
[11:28] colleen Criss: I agree with that
[11:28] colleen Criss: but if we hold an event we cant post those photos?
[11:29] Forceme Silverspar: Depends if it is a clead Ad?
[11:29] Forceme Silverspar: Clear.
[11:29] colleen Criss: sorry laggin terribly
[11:29] Youri Ashton: LL won't have to do much more then helping out with the harder cases, incase someone needs to be banned for example, and the people in zindra only need to bother with that policing group
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin....do you or will yuo have yur draft posted somewhere we can read? and think over?
[11:29] Blondin Linden: I think you'd be able to .
[11:29] Youri Ashton: takes preasure away from both sides
[11:29] colleen Criss: ok ty Blondin
[11:30] Kaddan Yue: So we are going Mature in other words, I so don't get this[11:30] Blondin Linden: Yeah I'll work on it. THough I want you all to think of the issue of moderation. Not everyone is gunna know these guidless nor should we expect them to. Perhaps the best idea to keep it up to date is to have people here help with that.
[11:30] Blondin Linden: So think about that - if it makes sense
[11:30] Blondin Linden: other wise, we're going to have issues in scalability :)
[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: so whast the next step exactly?[11:31] colleen Criss: it does
[11:31] Youri Ashton: blondin, think you should take my idea in concideration. its both good for zindra as LL
[11:31] Blondin Linden: so I am actually out of time but let me take a look at the wiki and see if theres anything I should touch upon
[11:32] Blondin Linden: youri, Im thinking your on the right track
[11:32] Zada Bury: Before you hide fast: Thank you for the short time this week ... and see you next week, Blondin. =^_^=
[11:32] Youri Ashton: I know i am, lol. i did not randomly shout out something :)
[11:32] Blondin Linden: hahah
[11:32] Forceme Silverspar: Thanks Blondin, until next time.
[11:32] Youri Ashton: I been telling that from the start
[11:32] Youri Ashton: lol
[11:32] Blondin Linden: I think the rest can wait.
[11:32] Blondin Linden: Thanks all
[11:32] Blondin Linden: ttyl
[11:32] Counter Landfall: cheers
[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao
[11:32] colleen Criss: ty
[11:32] Zada Bury: *purrs*
[11:32] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin
[11:32] Silvanus Northman: ty Blondin : )
[11:32] Youri Ashton: thanks for having us blondin
[11:32] Redlag Mayo: bye Blondin
Wednesday, November 10, 2010
Suggested Charter for Zexpo Group
Zindra Expo Group Charter
Zexpo Group was formed to allow Zindra Residents to join when they are creating a event using any of the Linden islands in Zindra. Also people joined to get updates of the progress of these Linden Island events.
At no time in the history of SL has a Linden Lab employee claim to be the owner of a SL 'community group' or encourage residents to go out and recruit other residents to join a Linden-run 'community group' to create some 'official' information channel for everyone on a mainland continent and control the flow of information to a region.
ZE is a Linden-run group that works intelligently to bring positive EVENT proposals to fruition.
SUGGESTED TEXT FOR CHARTER
Zindra Expo is the Linden group for Linden land management in Zindra. This group is used by Blondin Linden to grant temporary land rights to residents working together on approved events using Linden Land. Please feel free to join the group to get updates on Linden-approved events in Zindra.
Zexpo Group was formed to allow Zindra Residents to join when they are creating a event using any of the Linden islands in Zindra. Also people joined to get updates of the progress of these Linden Island events.
At no time in the history of SL has a Linden Lab employee claim to be the owner of a SL 'community group' or encourage residents to go out and recruit other residents to join a Linden-run 'community group' to create some 'official' information channel for everyone on a mainland continent and control the flow of information to a region.
ZE is a Linden-run group that works intelligently to bring positive EVENT proposals to fruition.
SUGGESTED TEXT FOR CHARTER
Zindra Expo is the Linden group for Linden land management in Zindra. This group is used by Blondin Linden to grant temporary land rights to residents working together on approved events using Linden Land. Please feel free to join the group to get updates on Linden-approved events in Zindra.
Tuesday, November 9, 2010
Anonymous Agenda Items at the Community Meeting
There have been some agenda items added this week that are anonymous or attributed to a group.
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People have to add their SL name to their agenda items. I believe anonymous agenda items should not be discussed. If you feel you have had too many agenda items or you do not want to stand behind your agenda item then ask someone else to present it for you on the wiki.
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The most recent anonymous changes (depicted in red below) were made by Ginette P.
Please sign your name to your agenda items. Thank you.
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UPDATE November 10th
One anonymous agenda item was claimed by Ginette. Two others remain anonymous.
People have to add their SL name to their agenda items. I believe anonymous agenda items should not be discussed. If you feel you have had too many agenda items or you do not want to stand behind your agenda item then ask someone else to present it for you on the wiki.
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The most recent anonymous changes (depicted in red below) were made by Ginette P.
Please sign your name to your agenda items. Thank you.
UPDATE November 10th
One anonymous agenda item was claimed by Ginette. Two others remain anonymous.
Letter to Blondin regarding Ginette soliciting members for his Land Management Group
Blondin, ginette has joined the Zindra Alliance group and is sending this notecard to every member in that group (poaching members) to get them to join your Land Management group under the false pretense that your land management group is a community group for Zindra. It seems very innapropriate for a resident to recruit residents for a Linden's Group in this manner.
-Lias Leandros
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THE NOTECARD GINETTE IS SPAMMING OUT ALL OVER ZINDRA
Zindra Expo Group Charter
To reflect upon the group's evolving and more dynamic mission, We propose new text for the Zindra Expo group's charter. ZE was initially formed to plan the ZEXPO, and then went on to address other non-event issues (such as Zindra Sim and more), We believe the need for a group that offers chances to work directly with LL on many initiatives, including events, is a wonderful opportunity for those interested in a mutually beneficial relationship. Not designed as a private or 'community group' ZE is a Linden-run group that works intelligently to bring positive proposals to fruition.
SUGGESTED TEXT FOR CHARTER....'
Zindra Expo is the Linden group for residents working with LL to benefit, promote and develop the 'adult continent' of Zindra. Let's hear your fresh and innovative ideas!
Weekly meetings: Monday 11AM Office Hours with Blondin Linden at the Bronlen Cafe.
Bronlen (128,224,74)
Please join this collective and keep participating for the future of Zindra.
-Lias Leandros
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THE NOTECARD GINETTE IS SPAMMING OUT ALL OVER ZINDRA
Zindra Expo Group Charter
To reflect upon the group's evolving and more dynamic mission, We propose new text for the Zindra Expo group's charter. ZE was initially formed to plan the ZEXPO, and then went on to address other non-event issues (such as Zindra Sim and more), We believe the need for a group that offers chances to work directly with LL on many initiatives, including events, is a wonderful opportunity for those interested in a mutually beneficial relationship. Not designed as a private or 'community group' ZE is a Linden-run group that works intelligently to bring positive proposals to fruition.
SUGGESTED TEXT FOR CHARTER....'
Zindra Expo is the Linden group for residents working with LL to benefit, promote and develop the 'adult continent' of Zindra. Let's hear your fresh and innovative ideas!
Weekly meetings: Monday 11AM Office Hours with Blondin Linden at the Bronlen Cafe.
Bronlen (128,224,74)
Please join this collective and keep participating for the future of Zindra.
Letter sent to Blondin regarding Ginette soliciting in Zexpo group and shouting down & threatening
Again Ginette is spamming the Zexpo group soliciting for Island proposals in your name. When I pointed out to her that we already have 3 (two of which wantthe same time frame) She started her usual threats. When I tried to discuss with her privately she refused.
That is a public chat group to discuss these island events. When someone decides to make announcements then everyone has the right to discuss those announcements. Ginette does not seem to understand that concept.
This sent to Zexpo Group.
[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: ISLAND EVENTS WANTED........ Hello! Blondin has announced that he is ready to look at proposals for Zexpo Island Seasonal Events at upcoming meetings. Anyone who has a unique idea and can draft a good proposal for it can submit. Here is the exact proposal process: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zexpo-island-seasonal-events-campaign For an example of a finished proposal, here is one: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011 if anyone wants feedback or proposal help, I'd be happy to lend an ear or hand
[11:34] Lias Leandros: The only time left for the island use in 2011 is the summer (May, June July, August) - So plan accordingly
[11:36] Ginette Pinazzo: not true..the only event approved so far is the current one....after feb the entire year is still open.....feel free to submit proposals, evryone
[11:37] Lias Leandros: There is April for UnZipped
[11:37] Lias Leandros: and I have BED FAIR for Februaray but you announced after I did that you want Februaray also
[11:37] Lias Leandros: so One of us has to move to September
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: unzipped has not been approved yet...proposals coem first......anywya....TTFN
[11:37] Lias Leandros: (probably you)
[11:37] Lias Leandros: that leaves the summer
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: keep spamming this group IM lias and undermining this initiativge and its not going to end well........please refrain for this behavior
[11:39] Lias Leandros: No need to promote chaos Ginette - and the community does not need you to ask for a glut of proposals so there is hard feelings over the island uses
[11:39] Lias Leandros: you are purposely trying to cause confusion and in-fighting
[11:39] Ratatosk Independent: For crying out loud! Knock it of Lias Leandros!
[11:40] Lias Leandros: You should knock it off Rat
[11:40] Lias Leandros: this is a group chat that we can chat in
[11:40] Lias Leandros: you do know that muting someone stops you from seeing their chat
[11:41] Ratatosk Independent: I refrain strongly from being called names. You have no idea what so ever what my name signifies.
[11:41] Lias Leandros: the islands can only sustain 4 events a year - there are three already on the table - Two of which have chosen the same times
[11:41] Lias Leandros: no need to cause more confusion
[11:41] Ginette Pinazzo: then mute us all Lia...so you dotn have anything to troll about
[11:41] Lias Leandros: I donbt mind the chatrter - TRat is the one having issues
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Private IM with Ginette
[11:46] Lias Leandros: [11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: keep spamming this group IM lias and undermining this initiativge and its not going to end well........please refrain for this behavior
[11:46] Lias Leandros: I report all of these public threats you make
[11:46] Lias Leandros: Blondin already tolsd you to stop
[11:46] Lias Leandros: you cantsend out public notices and expect no one to respond
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: MUTE
[11:46] Lias Leandros: lol
[11:46] Lias Leandros: Ill save this also
[11:47] Lias Leandros: SO from now on you should not be addressing me
[11:47] Lias Leandros: and this shows you refuse to discuss anything without an audience
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Private IM with Rat
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[11:53] Lias Leandros: You should show a little more self control being a mentor. 3 Events on a sim that can only have 4 events in a year does not need constant spamming to get more and more events on it for 2011. COmmon sense.
[11:54] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:54] Lias Leandros: its not trolling when you are in a public group
[11:54] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:54] Lias Leandros: you and Ginette wantto yell in public but wont talk in private
[11:54] Lias Leandros: you seem to need an audience for your temper tantrums
[11:54] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:55] Lias Leandros: I'll send this to Blondin also along with the other 'chat' to show you and Ginette just want to shout people down
[11:55] Lias Leandros: and not discuss
[11:55] Lias Leandros: its an obvious ploy
[11:55] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:55] Lias Leandros: As expected
[11:55] Lias Leandros: You have no desire to resolve any issues or mute anyone you do not want to hear in a group chat
[11:56] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:56] Lias Leandros: you just want to stop any conversatiopn you do not agree with
[11:56] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:56] Lias Leandros: Blondin will receive this to see that amnny mediation will not work because of your agenda
[11:56] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:56] Lias Leandros: try that mute buttom next time
[11:56] Lias Leandros: it works
[11:58] Ratatosk Independent: You have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to say to contribute to ANYTHING what so ever. The ONLY thing you achieve is to make a fool out of yourself. So...
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:59] Lias Leandros: Ill tell Blondin you said so
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:59] Lias Leandros: you dont mind Ginette's spamming the same thing every day
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:59] Lias Leandros: but you dont want anyone to respond negatively
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
That is a public chat group to discuss these island events. When someone decides to make announcements then everyone has the right to discuss those announcements. Ginette does not seem to understand that concept.
This sent to Zexpo Group.
[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: ISLAND EVENTS WANTED........ Hello! Blondin has announced that he is ready to look at proposals for Zexpo Island Seasonal Events at upcoming meetings. Anyone who has a unique idea and can draft a good proposal for it can submit. Here is the exact proposal process: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zexpo-island-seasonal-events-campaign For an example of a finished proposal, here is one: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011 if anyone wants feedback or proposal help, I'd be happy to lend an ear or hand
[11:34] Lias Leandros: The only time left for the island use in 2011 is the summer (May, June July, August) - So plan accordingly
[11:36] Ginette Pinazzo: not true..the only event approved so far is the current one....after feb the entire year is still open.....feel free to submit proposals, evryone
[11:37] Lias Leandros: There is April for UnZipped
[11:37] Lias Leandros: and I have BED FAIR for Februaray but you announced after I did that you want Februaray also
[11:37] Lias Leandros: so One of us has to move to September
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: unzipped has not been approved yet...proposals coem first......anywya....TTFN
[11:37] Lias Leandros: (probably you)
[11:37] Lias Leandros: that leaves the summer
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: keep spamming this group IM lias and undermining this initiativge and its not going to end well........please refrain for this behavior
[11:39] Lias Leandros: No need to promote chaos Ginette - and the community does not need you to ask for a glut of proposals so there is hard feelings over the island uses
[11:39] Lias Leandros: you are purposely trying to cause confusion and in-fighting
[11:39] Ratatosk Independent: For crying out loud! Knock it of Lias Leandros!
[11:40] Lias Leandros: You should knock it off Rat
[11:40] Lias Leandros: this is a group chat that we can chat in
[11:40] Lias Leandros: you do know that muting someone stops you from seeing their chat
[11:41] Ratatosk Independent: I refrain strongly from being called names. You have no idea what so ever what my name signifies.
[11:41] Lias Leandros: the islands can only sustain 4 events a year - there are three already on the table - Two of which have chosen the same times
[11:41] Lias Leandros: no need to cause more confusion
[11:41] Ginette Pinazzo: then mute us all Lia...so you dotn have anything to troll about
[11:41] Lias Leandros: I donbt mind the chatrter - TRat is the one having issues
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Private IM with Ginette
[11:46] Lias Leandros: [11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: keep spamming this group IM lias and undermining this initiativge and its not going to end well........please refrain for this behavior
[11:46] Lias Leandros: I report all of these public threats you make
[11:46] Lias Leandros: Blondin already tolsd you to stop
[11:46] Lias Leandros: you cantsend out public notices and expect no one to respond
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: MUTE
[11:46] Lias Leandros: lol
[11:46] Lias Leandros: Ill save this also
[11:47] Lias Leandros: SO from now on you should not be addressing me
[11:47] Lias Leandros: and this shows you refuse to discuss anything without an audience
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Private IM with Rat
-- Instant message logging enabled --
[11:53] Lias Leandros: You should show a little more self control being a mentor. 3 Events on a sim that can only have 4 events in a year does not need constant spamming to get more and more events on it for 2011. COmmon sense.
[11:54] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:54] Lias Leandros: its not trolling when you are in a public group
[11:54] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:54] Lias Leandros: you and Ginette wantto yell in public but wont talk in private
[11:54] Lias Leandros: you seem to need an audience for your temper tantrums
[11:54] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:55] Lias Leandros: I'll send this to Blondin also along with the other 'chat' to show you and Ginette just want to shout people down
[11:55] Lias Leandros: and not discuss
[11:55] Lias Leandros: its an obvious ploy
[11:55] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:55] Lias Leandros: As expected
[11:55] Lias Leandros: You have no desire to resolve any issues or mute anyone you do not want to hear in a group chat
[11:56] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:56] Lias Leandros: you just want to stop any conversatiopn you do not agree with
[11:56] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:56] Lias Leandros: Blondin will receive this to see that amnny mediation will not work because of your agenda
[11:56] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:56] Lias Leandros: try that mute buttom next time
[11:56] Lias Leandros: it works
[11:58] Ratatosk Independent: You have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to say to contribute to ANYTHING what so ever. The ONLY thing you achieve is to make a fool out of yourself. So...
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:59] Lias Leandros: Ill tell Blondin you said so
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:59] Lias Leandros: you dont mind Ginette's spamming the same thing every day
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:59] Lias Leandros: but you dont want anyone to respond negatively
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
Monday, November 8, 2010
The Wrap: November 8th Zindra Community meeting Agenda wrap
The agenda from last week has been wiped off of the Wiki by Blondin. So if you want your agenda items discussed you will need to add them once more.
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How to edit the wiki agenda chart to add your agenda items.
The chart is difficult to work with so here is an explanation you can use to cut and paste into the agenda if you have any agenda items.
1. Go to
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Blondin_Linden's_Zindra_Office_Hour_Agenda
2. Sign in using your Second Life name and password.
3. Click the EDIT tab
4. Use the following lay-out to post your agenda item.
|-
|SUBJECT OF YOUR AGENDA ITEM || YOUR NAME || URL TO WEBSITE OR BLOG ABOUT SUBJECT ||JIRA # || IS THIS NEW OR OLD BUSINESS || EXPLAIN YOUR AGENDA ITEM || |-
add that before the final mark |} at the bottom of the chart
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WIKI MESSAGE FROM BLONDIN:
11:03] Blondin Linden: First thing I want to say is, i keep forgetting to deleted and update each week and thats my fault
[11:03] Blondin Linden: in terms of the agenda
[11:03] Blondin Linden: so after each meeting, I'm gunna take everything thats on there and delete it , re date it and let people fill in from there
[11:04] Blondin Linden: b/c I was jsut looking it over and it's getting pretty lengthy :)
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1. Flickr Slideshow Kiosk: report (Ginette)
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Up First, Flickr sliude show
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Sil was nice enough to join me while I planted them out on the Zindra infohubs
[11:05] Blondin Linden: things seem to be working well ya?
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: placesd at Podyan and Zindra sim
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2. Podyan / Zindra name switch (Ginette)
NOT ADDRESSED
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3. Art Maze: Next Steps (Ginette)
NOT ADDRESSED
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4. Zindra Mentor Team: Brainstorming Report (Ginette)
NOT ADDRESSED
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5. Age Verification Kiosks at InfoHubs (Colleen)
NOT ADDRESSED
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6. Age Verify Wiki: update (Blondin)
NOT ADDRESSED
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7. Guest Speakers (ForceMe)
NOT ADDRESSED
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8. Secretary or No? (Blondin)
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9. Process of having Guest Speakers (ForceMe)
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10. BED FAIR Proposal (Lias)
NOT ADDRESSED - BACK ON THE AGENDA
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11. Naughty Snowman Proposal (Zindra Alliance)
[11:52] Blondin Linden: next item, moving from the bottom up still - The ZA's SNowman building contest
[11:52] Blondin Linden: was there an update from last week guys?
[11:52] Pagan Sunburn: no mopre megas?
[11:52] Ginette Pinazzo: I have a few thinsg to say abt it..haha
[11:52] Counter Landfall: there was an update sent to ZA
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we have issued a ticket in the support system about the sim texture and ice on the water
[11:53] Counter Landfall: and I need to have a discussion with you about practicalities around rezzing
[11:53] Forceme Silverspar: Is there a procedure to the Zindra sim to be dished out or is it grab it if ya got an idea?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we also drafted some rules, but not there yet
[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo: seesm ZA is palnning a month-long event on Zindra sim? did I get that right?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: yes Ginette
[11:54] Counter Landfall: so more detials next week
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: forgive mne quoting but.......
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: [11:51] Blondin Linden: so Counter, here is an idea. Have the snowman building contest and ask people to build on their land. Then, when you are ready to judge, we'll make it so we can place them all out on ZIndra
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: thats not a month-long event
[11:54] Counter Landfall: wahtever Ginette
[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:54] Counter Landfall: we want it to be a month
[11:54] Lias Leandros: a buld contest takes place on the build contest area - as usual
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: we dont have a Zindra sim events process yet......this is not appropriate...the way its being done
[11:55] Qie Niangao: oh, oh! important to ask: is LL planning an annual "Winter Faire" again as usual? And if so, can we link the snowman thing to it, as a kind of "fringe festival" ?
[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin...this system is being abused and I dotn see why anyone would take it seriosuly.....
[11:56] Blondin Linden: We are in fact planning a winterfest. More details in the December's Sandbox newsletter
[11:57] Counter Landfall: we will make a proper proposal for him, ok?
[11:57] Lias Leandros: Gientte sent out a 'proposal' to Counter to get him to allow her to be involvbed on a management level forthis event and when he turned her down she now sits here trying to degrade the event
[11:58] Blondin Linden: Well, how about next week we hear more from the ZA about what they want to do and decide from there
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12. Permanent bridge in the Distrel sim (Blondin)
[11:49] Counter Landfall: the idea is that it will connect the sims and not every exhibitor have to make a bridge
[11:50] Blondin Linden: fair enough.
[11:50] BBQBill Odriscoll: I like it
[11:50] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin.....is it even relevant...soem events may not need the bridge?
[11:50] Blondin Linden: Ill ask Micheal to see if he has soething in stock or if a Mole can do it
[11:50] Counter Landfall: great
[11:51] Blondin Linden: Ginette, if it becomes a problem, then I can always take the bridge temporarily and then put it back
[11:51] Ginette Pinazzo: makes sense
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13. Zindra unZipped EXPO proposal (Zindra Alliance)
[11:43] Blondin Linden: Next item is the Zindra Unziped
[11:44] Blondin Linden: this from the Zindra Alliance?
[11:44] Counter Landfall: no progress on content, just a reservation for the sim
[11:44] Counter Landfall: yes it is
[11:44] Blondin Linden: I'm going to ask that you do up a proposal
[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: if counter follows the actual Island Events proposal procedure, like anyone,
[11:44] Lias Leandros: please
[11:44] Lias Leandros: Ginette you didnt follow trhatstandard with your art maze
[11:44] colleen Criss: who created the events proposal procedure please?
[11:45] Ginette Pinazzo: Counter the guideliens or on the Island actually if you need them....or a NC I can pass
[11:45] Blondin Linden: it was discussed here
[11:45] Lias Leandros: thats nonsense
[11:45] Blondin Linden: and I took it back internally and we discussed
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and no one is agreeing that anyone on their production team has to be in SL for a year or they cant be on th eteam
[11:45] Lias Leandros: discusses is not agreed upon Blondin
[11:45] Counter Landfall: hand it to me and I will do the procedure, but not this week
[11:47] Blondin Linden: But - April is so far ahead of the game, the ZA wont have a problem reserving it
[11:48] Blondin Linden: Its not a form to fill out. THe point of it is to get those who are proposing an event to think about the details. Thats all.
[11:49] colleen Criss: but its on Ginettes site and not your wiki?
[11:49] Lias Leandros: and it was certainly NOT accepted as the procedure
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14. Flickr Group Content Standards (Ginette)
[11:43] Blondin Linden: I agree that some standards neeed to be put in place. Ill take a crack at this this week and come back with a draft
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15. Meetings & Transcripts (JeZeBeLe Dagger)
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: This is really a revisit of the topic of meeting minutes/.recaps etc and I share the frustration of Jeze and others. Long transcripts are not what most people have time for, and they are not a replacement for a simple recap. Last we left off, there was no official recap process except putting the recap on the agenda wiki, but that backfired. Resident-run groups, like ZA, were told they could pass recaps along in their groups, and thats great (if they are accurate), but the OH itself doesnt have an official recap procedure. Not yet.
[11:36] colleen Criss: if you want official it has to go to Blondins Wiki huh
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: wahtever we do, if its not coming from LL, Blondin, or an LL group, its not 'official'....simpel enough concept
[11:37] Lias Leandros: it des not have to be 'officia' Ginette
[11:37] Qie Niangao: honestly, ideally, Blondin himself would maintain a public record of decisions made, action items taken, topics completed.
[11:37] Lias Leandros: we arent employees
[11:37] Counter Landfall: why are you so hung up on official Ginette?
[11:38] Counter Landfall: :-)
[11:38] colleen Criss: official is YOUR word Ginette no one else uses it
[11:38] Zada Bury: the "wrap" was a useful thing
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: we all witnessed edits and even made-up material or destrcutive commentary in 'minutes' sent out in resident run groups.....thats not a replacement for anythng offcial
[11:38] Lias Leandros: pasting the exact chat from Blondin that is in the transcript seems fair
[11:38] Silvanus Northman: official means that it passes instances
[11:38] Lias Leandros: this way no words are changed
[11:38] Dancer Greenfield: I agree that the result protocol should come from a Linden (sorry Blondin) rather than one of us
[11:38] Kaddan Yue: because that is what matters it coming official
[11:38] Forceme Silverspar: When we want stuff from LL like their sims and stuff, there has to be some sort of official doesn't there?
[11:39] colleen Criss: I agree Ive had mine *edited* its wrong to do so
[11:39] Blondin Linden: Unfortuantely, I dont have the time to do that to the effect that most people want. I can try and jot down the action items on the wiki each week but I dont have the bandwidth to make full on reports available
[11:39] Lias Leandros: No Linden is going to sit down each week and go thru transcripst and find chat responses to specific questions
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: All we need is Agenda Item/Decision
[11:39] Lias Leandros: ts very easy to check back at the log from the trimestamp of teh wuote to make sure its correct
[11:39] Counter Landfall: why don't we appoint a secretary who publish the minutes and trnscrips
[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: action items / bullet points ar eprobably what everyone would need most anyway
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: Followed by the transcript
[11:40] Counter Landfall: and if there are errors, they get corrected at the next meeting
[11:40] Lias Leandros: we did that October 8th Counter
[11:40] Counter Landfall: pretty standard meeting procedure
[11:40] Counter Landfall: this is not government yet, or? ;-)
[11:40] BBQBill Odriscoll: First Yes. First item on the next agenda.
[11:40] Blondin Linden: ok. I'll try and do it this week. Take a look after we;re done here , on the wiki and let me know.
[11:41] Lias Leandros: on the October 8th Blondin and Counter dcided to have a Seretary posiytion in the ZA group and people could join that role and take turns doing exactly what Jezze just proposed this week
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: nio lias...thats ZA.....you were told you could pass recaps, but not the official secretary of ZE or LL
[11:42] Lias Leandros: its in the transcripts
[11:42] Counter Landfall: well it does not have to be someone in ZA, but I am happy to host that role of people want
[11:42] Lias Leandros: yes thats it Ginette
[11:42] Lias Leandros: All transcripts are posted
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: you read what you wanted to read, as suual...read it all
[11:42] Blondin Linden: and Lias, thats great for that group but what about htose who arent in it?
[11:42] Blondin Linden: anyway
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16. Zindra Survey (JeZeBeLe Dagger)
[11:27] Blondin Linden: sounds ok. ANy ideas on HOW to set it up?
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: in order to get surveys out to peoepl, you need an officlka distribution system
[11:27] Lias Leandros: anyone can survey
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: we are taking about getting info out continent-wide.....not abt more meetings
[11:27] Lias Leandros: there is no 'official' distribution available except just a survey machine you can buy off the Marketplace
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: Id encourage that you rethink the ZAP concept Blondin, sans the mentor angle....
[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: its a way to get all of these things going....
[11:28] Lias Leandros: just set up a survey machine HERE and other ley points and get folks to use them
[11:28] Lias Leandros: the data goes t a website
[11:28] Counter Landfall: well there is a fundamental problem in reaching all the residents
[11:29] Lias Leandros: Jezze can do that if she chooses since its her concept
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: 'getting folks' is the issue.....only small percebnt will even use those machines...thats not comprehensive
[11:29] Counter Landfall: we dont have any easy way of mapping them
[11:29] Qie Niangao: somebody has to decide what questions to even ask on such surveys.
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: door-to-door ambassadors are comprehensive and human
[11:29] Blondin Linden: what kind of information are you looking for?
[11:32] Qie Niangao: "events, current affairs, and mainland concerns" -- whatever those mean, in specifics.
[11:32] Blondin Linden: Id suggest Media on a prim but I know a lot fo you dont use viewer 2
[11:33] Blondin Linden: details need to be worked out but I think its a positive step
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17. Mediators and Moderators (JeZeBeLe Dagger)
[11:13] Blondin Linden: http://jezebelesrealm.blogspot.com/2010/11/agenda-items-proposal-for-zindra-oh.html
[11:17] Blondin Linden: well, one thing we do for Bay City is rotate the times of which we meeting. One week its 1pm the next its 4pm. Granted, I can get confused sometimes and forget the times. but thats one option
[11:19] Lias Leandros: Mental Mentors or Metors Gone Wild would be a good fit to take on such a role
[11:19] Blondin Linden: Yeah GInette, its kinda hard to do that. SOme people arent going to recognize others as a moderate and if asked to leave, will sort of just ignore them
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: seems even more apparent right NOW mediator(s) are needed..haha
[11:20] Blondin Linden: So its difficult.
[11:20] Lias Leandros: ask to leave? lol
[11:20] Lias Leandros: mediators dont kick people out, lol
[11:20] Lias Leandros: yu are looking for a bouncer [11:20] Silvanus Northman waves at Hypatia [11:21] Lias Leandros: mediation would not happen here at the meeting
[11:21] Arcadia Sweetwater: then the moderators should have a tag showing they are moderators and a notification of their powers would be in order [11:21] Blondin Linden: I think the best bet Ginette would be to find an additional time for this meeting and alternate it week to week
11:22] Lias Leandros: Blondin you want to change your meeting time each week?
[11:22] Lias Leandros: wut?
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: maybe
[11:22] Counter Landfall: the problem is that if you run the meetings very much later, Europe will miss them
[11:22] Blondin Linden: that way, we get more people involved who may not be able to, or want to attend this particual meeting
[11:22] Lias Leandros: if you change the set time then you confuse people
[11:23] Lias Leandros: if you have two meetings then you will be making decisions at one meeting and different decisions at the other
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes, and that will be more chaotic
[11:23] Dancer Greenfield: No time is perfect for everyone... people who want to be here but can't can at least send in their ideas in notecards
[11:24] Blondin Linden: no lias, its 1 meeting with two different times
[11:24] Lias Leandros: and two different audiences wth two different discussions
[11:24] BBQBill Odriscoll: I heard alternting times different weeks.
[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: that would be 'increasing the talent pool' in a way
[11:24] Blondin Linden: all the more reason to processes and documentation
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18. Adult Search/Classifed/Button Issues (Aprille Shepherd)
[11:09] Blondin Linden: it seems that its a problem with the 1.23 veiwer
[11:09] Lias Leandros: oh
[11:10] Blondin Linden: If you want to vote on it - feel free, but Im not sure that it's going to ge the attention that she wants b/c its not in any of the 2.0 Viewers.
[11:10] Lias Leandros: ok s if its only 1.23 then its a non -issue I guess
[11:10] Blondin Linden: im pretty sure that all work has stopped on 1.23
[11:10] Counter Landfall: well, since half the grid is still on a version 1 viewer it needs attention
[11:11] Lias Leandros: she will test it on 2.1 I assume and get back to us
[11:11] Qie Niangao: well, but it's not actually a viewer issue, inasmuch as it worked up until recently
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How to edit the wiki agenda chart to add your agenda items.
The chart is difficult to work with so here is an explanation you can use to cut and paste into the agenda if you have any agenda items.
1. Go to
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Blondin_Linden's_Zindra_Office_Hour_Agenda
2. Sign in using your Second Life name and password.
3. Click the EDIT tab
4. Use the following lay-out to post your agenda item.
|-
|SUBJECT OF YOUR AGENDA ITEM || YOUR NAME || URL TO WEBSITE OR BLOG ABOUT SUBJECT ||JIRA # || IS THIS NEW OR OLD BUSINESS || EXPLAIN YOUR AGENDA ITEM || |-
add that before the final mark |} at the bottom of the chart
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WIKI MESSAGE FROM BLONDIN:
11:03] Blondin Linden: First thing I want to say is, i keep forgetting to deleted and update each week and thats my fault
[11:03] Blondin Linden: in terms of the agenda
[11:03] Blondin Linden: so after each meeting, I'm gunna take everything thats on there and delete it , re date it and let people fill in from there
[11:04] Blondin Linden: b/c I was jsut looking it over and it's getting pretty lengthy :)
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1. Flickr Slideshow Kiosk: report (Ginette)
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Up First, Flickr sliude show
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Sil was nice enough to join me while I planted them out on the Zindra infohubs
[11:05] Blondin Linden: things seem to be working well ya?
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: placesd at Podyan and Zindra sim
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2. Podyan / Zindra name switch (Ginette)
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3. Art Maze: Next Steps (Ginette)
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4. Zindra Mentor Team: Brainstorming Report (Ginette)
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5. Age Verification Kiosks at InfoHubs (Colleen)
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6. Age Verify Wiki: update (Blondin)
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7. Guest Speakers (ForceMe)
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8. Secretary or No? (Blondin)
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9. Process of having Guest Speakers (ForceMe)
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10. BED FAIR Proposal (Lias)
NOT ADDRESSED - BACK ON THE AGENDA
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11. Naughty Snowman Proposal (Zindra Alliance)
[11:52] Blondin Linden: next item, moving from the bottom up still - The ZA's SNowman building contest
[11:52] Blondin Linden: was there an update from last week guys?
[11:52] Pagan Sunburn: no mopre megas?
[11:52] Ginette Pinazzo: I have a few thinsg to say abt it..haha
[11:52] Counter Landfall: there was an update sent to ZA
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we have issued a ticket in the support system about the sim texture and ice on the water
[11:53] Counter Landfall: and I need to have a discussion with you about practicalities around rezzing
[11:53] Forceme Silverspar: Is there a procedure to the Zindra sim to be dished out or is it grab it if ya got an idea?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we also drafted some rules, but not there yet
[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo: seesm ZA is palnning a month-long event on Zindra sim? did I get that right?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: yes Ginette
[11:54] Counter Landfall: so more detials next week
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: forgive mne quoting but.......
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: [11:51] Blondin Linden: so Counter, here is an idea. Have the snowman building contest and ask people to build on their land. Then, when you are ready to judge, we'll make it so we can place them all out on ZIndra
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: thats not a month-long event
[11:54] Counter Landfall: wahtever Ginette
[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:54] Counter Landfall: we want it to be a month
[11:54] Lias Leandros: a buld contest takes place on the build contest area - as usual
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: we dont have a Zindra sim events process yet......this is not appropriate...the way its being done
[11:55] Qie Niangao: oh, oh! important to ask: is LL planning an annual "Winter Faire" again as usual? And if so, can we link the snowman thing to it, as a kind of "fringe festival" ?
[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin...this system is being abused and I dotn see why anyone would take it seriosuly.....
[11:56] Blondin Linden: We are in fact planning a winterfest. More details in the December's Sandbox newsletter
[11:57] Counter Landfall: we will make a proper proposal for him, ok?
[11:57] Lias Leandros: Gientte sent out a 'proposal' to Counter to get him to allow her to be involvbed on a management level forthis event and when he turned her down she now sits here trying to degrade the event
[11:58] Blondin Linden: Well, how about next week we hear more from the ZA about what they want to do and decide from there
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12. Permanent bridge in the Distrel sim (Blondin)
[11:49] Counter Landfall: the idea is that it will connect the sims and not every exhibitor have to make a bridge
[11:50] Blondin Linden: fair enough.
[11:50] BBQBill Odriscoll: I like it
[11:50] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin.....is it even relevant...soem events may not need the bridge?
[11:50] Blondin Linden: Ill ask Micheal to see if he has soething in stock or if a Mole can do it
[11:50] Counter Landfall: great
[11:51] Blondin Linden: Ginette, if it becomes a problem, then I can always take the bridge temporarily and then put it back
[11:51] Ginette Pinazzo: makes sense
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13. Zindra unZipped EXPO proposal (Zindra Alliance)
[11:43] Blondin Linden: Next item is the Zindra Unziped
[11:44] Blondin Linden: this from the Zindra Alliance?
[11:44] Counter Landfall: no progress on content, just a reservation for the sim
[11:44] Counter Landfall: yes it is
[11:44] Blondin Linden: I'm going to ask that you do up a proposal
[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: if counter follows the actual Island Events proposal procedure, like anyone,
[11:44] Lias Leandros: please
[11:44] Lias Leandros: Ginette you didnt follow trhatstandard with your art maze
[11:44] colleen Criss: who created the events proposal procedure please?
[11:45] Ginette Pinazzo: Counter the guideliens or on the Island actually if you need them....or a NC I can pass
[11:45] Blondin Linden: it was discussed here
[11:45] Lias Leandros: thats nonsense
[11:45] Blondin Linden: and I took it back internally and we discussed
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and no one is agreeing that anyone on their production team has to be in SL for a year or they cant be on th eteam
[11:45] Lias Leandros: discusses is not agreed upon Blondin
[11:45] Counter Landfall: hand it to me and I will do the procedure, but not this week
[11:47] Blondin Linden: But - April is so far ahead of the game, the ZA wont have a problem reserving it
[11:48] Blondin Linden: Its not a form to fill out. THe point of it is to get those who are proposing an event to think about the details. Thats all.
[11:49] colleen Criss: but its on Ginettes site and not your wiki?
[11:49] Lias Leandros: and it was certainly NOT accepted as the procedure
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14. Flickr Group Content Standards (Ginette)
[11:43] Blondin Linden: I agree that some standards neeed to be put in place. Ill take a crack at this this week and come back with a draft
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15. Meetings & Transcripts (JeZeBeLe Dagger)
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: This is really a revisit of the topic of meeting minutes/.recaps etc and I share the frustration of Jeze and others. Long transcripts are not what most people have time for, and they are not a replacement for a simple recap. Last we left off, there was no official recap process except putting the recap on the agenda wiki, but that backfired. Resident-run groups, like ZA, were told they could pass recaps along in their groups, and thats great (if they are accurate), but the OH itself doesnt have an official recap procedure. Not yet.
[11:36] colleen Criss: if you want official it has to go to Blondins Wiki huh
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: wahtever we do, if its not coming from LL, Blondin, or an LL group, its not 'official'....simpel enough concept
[11:37] Lias Leandros: it des not have to be 'officia' Ginette
[11:37] Qie Niangao: honestly, ideally, Blondin himself would maintain a public record of decisions made, action items taken, topics completed.
[11:37] Lias Leandros: we arent employees
[11:37] Counter Landfall: why are you so hung up on official Ginette?
[11:38] Counter Landfall: :-)
[11:38] colleen Criss: official is YOUR word Ginette no one else uses it
[11:38] Zada Bury: the "wrap" was a useful thing
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: we all witnessed edits and even made-up material or destrcutive commentary in 'minutes' sent out in resident run groups.....thats not a replacement for anythng offcial
[11:38] Lias Leandros: pasting the exact chat from Blondin that is in the transcript seems fair
[11:38] Silvanus Northman: official means that it passes instances
[11:38] Lias Leandros: this way no words are changed
[11:38] Dancer Greenfield: I agree that the result protocol should come from a Linden (sorry Blondin) rather than one of us
[11:38] Kaddan Yue: because that is what matters it coming official
[11:38] Forceme Silverspar: When we want stuff from LL like their sims and stuff, there has to be some sort of official doesn't there?
[11:39] colleen Criss: I agree Ive had mine *edited* its wrong to do so
[11:39] Blondin Linden: Unfortuantely, I dont have the time to do that to the effect that most people want. I can try and jot down the action items on the wiki each week but I dont have the bandwidth to make full on reports available
[11:39] Lias Leandros: No Linden is going to sit down each week and go thru transcripst and find chat responses to specific questions
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: All we need is Agenda Item/Decision
[11:39] Lias Leandros: ts very easy to check back at the log from the trimestamp of teh wuote to make sure its correct
[11:39] Counter Landfall: why don't we appoint a secretary who publish the minutes and trnscrips
[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: action items / bullet points ar eprobably what everyone would need most anyway
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: Followed by the transcript
[11:40] Counter Landfall: and if there are errors, they get corrected at the next meeting
[11:40] Lias Leandros: we did that October 8th Counter
[11:40] Counter Landfall: pretty standard meeting procedure
[11:40] Counter Landfall: this is not government yet, or? ;-)
[11:40] BBQBill Odriscoll: First Yes. First item on the next agenda.
[11:40] Blondin Linden: ok. I'll try and do it this week. Take a look after we;re done here , on the wiki and let me know.
[11:41] Lias Leandros: on the October 8th Blondin and Counter dcided to have a Seretary posiytion in the ZA group and people could join that role and take turns doing exactly what Jezze just proposed this week
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: nio lias...thats ZA.....you were told you could pass recaps, but not the official secretary of ZE or LL
[11:42] Lias Leandros: its in the transcripts
[11:42] Counter Landfall: well it does not have to be someone in ZA, but I am happy to host that role of people want
[11:42] Lias Leandros: yes thats it Ginette
[11:42] Lias Leandros: All transcripts are posted
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: you read what you wanted to read, as suual...read it all
[11:42] Blondin Linden: and Lias, thats great for that group but what about htose who arent in it?
[11:42] Blondin Linden: anyway
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16. Zindra Survey (JeZeBeLe Dagger)
[11:27] Blondin Linden: sounds ok. ANy ideas on HOW to set it up?
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: in order to get surveys out to peoepl, you need an officlka distribution system
[11:27] Lias Leandros: anyone can survey
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: we are taking about getting info out continent-wide.....not abt more meetings
[11:27] Lias Leandros: there is no 'official' distribution available except just a survey machine you can buy off the Marketplace
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: Id encourage that you rethink the ZAP concept Blondin, sans the mentor angle....
[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: its a way to get all of these things going....
[11:28] Lias Leandros: just set up a survey machine HERE and other ley points and get folks to use them
[11:28] Lias Leandros: the data goes t a website
[11:28] Counter Landfall: well there is a fundamental problem in reaching all the residents
[11:29] Lias Leandros: Jezze can do that if she chooses since its her concept
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: 'getting folks' is the issue.....only small percebnt will even use those machines...thats not comprehensive
[11:29] Counter Landfall: we dont have any easy way of mapping them
[11:29] Qie Niangao: somebody has to decide what questions to even ask on such surveys.
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: door-to-door ambassadors are comprehensive and human
[11:29] Blondin Linden: what kind of information are you looking for?
[11:32] Qie Niangao: "events, current affairs, and mainland concerns" -- whatever those mean, in specifics.
[11:32] Blondin Linden: Id suggest Media on a prim but I know a lot fo you dont use viewer 2
[11:33] Blondin Linden: details need to be worked out but I think its a positive step
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17. Mediators and Moderators (JeZeBeLe Dagger)
[11:13] Blondin Linden: http://jezebelesrealm.blogspot.com/2010/11/agenda-items-proposal-for-zindra-oh.html
[11:17] Blondin Linden: well, one thing we do for Bay City is rotate the times of which we meeting. One week its 1pm the next its 4pm. Granted, I can get confused sometimes and forget the times. but thats one option
[11:19] Lias Leandros: Mental Mentors or Metors Gone Wild would be a good fit to take on such a role
[11:19] Blondin Linden: Yeah GInette, its kinda hard to do that. SOme people arent going to recognize others as a moderate and if asked to leave, will sort of just ignore them
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: seems even more apparent right NOW mediator(s) are needed..haha
[11:20] Blondin Linden: So its difficult.
[11:20] Lias Leandros: ask to leave? lol
[11:20] Lias Leandros: mediators dont kick people out, lol
[11:20] Lias Leandros: yu are looking for a bouncer [11:20] Silvanus Northman waves at Hypatia [11:21] Lias Leandros: mediation would not happen here at the meeting
[11:21] Arcadia Sweetwater: then the moderators should have a tag showing they are moderators and a notification of their powers would be in order [11:21] Blondin Linden: I think the best bet Ginette would be to find an additional time for this meeting and alternate it week to week
11:22] Lias Leandros: Blondin you want to change your meeting time each week?
[11:22] Lias Leandros: wut?
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: maybe
[11:22] Counter Landfall: the problem is that if you run the meetings very much later, Europe will miss them
[11:22] Blondin Linden: that way, we get more people involved who may not be able to, or want to attend this particual meeting
[11:22] Lias Leandros: if you change the set time then you confuse people
[11:23] Lias Leandros: if you have two meetings then you will be making decisions at one meeting and different decisions at the other
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes, and that will be more chaotic
[11:23] Dancer Greenfield: No time is perfect for everyone... people who want to be here but can't can at least send in their ideas in notecards
[11:24] Blondin Linden: no lias, its 1 meeting with two different times
[11:24] Lias Leandros: and two different audiences wth two different discussions
[11:24] BBQBill Odriscoll: I heard alternting times different weeks.
[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: that would be 'increasing the talent pool' in a way
[11:24] Blondin Linden: all the more reason to processes and documentation
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18. Adult Search/Classifed/Button Issues (Aprille Shepherd)
[11:09] Blondin Linden: it seems that its a problem with the 1.23 veiwer
[11:09] Lias Leandros: oh
[11:10] Blondin Linden: If you want to vote on it - feel free, but Im not sure that it's going to ge the attention that she wants b/c its not in any of the 2.0 Viewers.
[11:10] Lias Leandros: ok s if its only 1.23 then its a non -issue I guess
[11:10] Blondin Linden: im pretty sure that all work has stopped on 1.23
[11:10] Counter Landfall: well, since half the grid is still on a version 1 viewer it needs attention
[11:11] Lias Leandros: she will test it on 2.1 I assume and get back to us
[11:11] Qie Niangao: well, but it's not actually a viewer issue, inasmuch as it worked up until recently
Transcript November 8th 2010 Blondin Zindra Community Meeting
[11:01] Arcadia Sweetwater: hi blondin
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Bunny Mileman gave you From Bunny about event posting.
[11:01] Blondin Linden: waiting for things to rez before I take a seat
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hope everyone had a nice wknd
[11:01] Blondin Linden: :)
[11:01] Zada Bury: the one left from Arcadia is empty
[11:01] Silvanus Northman: hope you too ^^
[11:02] A group member named Counter Landfall owned by the group 'Zindra Alliance' gave you Zindra Group Minutes November 7, 2010.
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: just sit on that nice cup of SL coffee! its rezzed!
[11:02] You decline Naughty Snowman from A group member named Counter Landfall.
[11:02] Qie Niangao: (Silvanus: Oh, it's a .swf... I'm on Linux so any flash I get is by chance)
[11:02] Blondin Linden: yeah, though I must admit Sundays are getting tough. Too much good tv on Sundays :)
[11:02] Arcadia Sweetwater: can i hav a catnip tea
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: ok : )
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: who watches tv anymore?
[11:02] Blondin Linden: i do!!
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: good to know, ty Qie for info : )
[11:02] Blondin Linden: we can start
[11:02] Blondin Linden: anywho
[11:03] Blondin Linden: First thing I want to say is, i keep forgetting to deleted and update each week and thats my fault
[11:03] Blondin Linden: in terms of the agenda
[11:03] Blondin Linden: so after each meeting, I'm gunna take everything thats on there and delete it , re date it and let people fill in from there
[11:04] Blondin Linden: b/c I was jsut looking it over and it's getting pretty lengthy :)
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: well, peoep do add things but deeleting old things is an issue, yes
[11:04] Blondin Linden: and Im not sure what from last week needs to be talked about again
[11:04] Blondin Linden: SO!
[11:04] Zada Bury: well ... these things can happen
[11:04] Lias Leandros: I deleted my old item already
[11:04] Blondin Linden: lets try and zip through the first few items pretty quickly
[11:04] Blondin Linden: we can do that b/c I dont have much to add :( wah
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Up First, Flickr sliude show
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Sil was nice enough to join me while I planted them out on the Zindra infohubs
[11:05] Blondin Linden: things seem to be working well ya?
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: placesd at Podyan and Zindra sim
[11:05] Blondin Linden: (looksa t Sil)
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: seems ok
[11:06] Blondin Linden: what I want to do next about that is put some sort of rule around posting
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: yes, I already made a new desing too, which will fit to the Info-Hubs ( I hope)
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: and to handle more easy, no more ownersay.....
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: then
[11:06] Garden Erotica InfoGiver: Paty Lanley entered the defined area. (Adult Community Center <142.76180, 122.96130, 33.12829>)
[11:06] Kaddan Yue: oops
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: already passed one to Gina
[11:06] Blondin Linden: just to keep it fair and easy to understand what to post and what not to
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: that item is far down the agenda Blondin.....content stanbdards I thinkm its caleld
[11:06] Blondin Linden: so Ill take a crack at that this week. Feel free to send ideas my way
[11:06] Blondin Linden: oh was it/!
[11:06] Blondin Linden: Apologies
[11:07] Blondin Linden: maybe we should start at the bottom and work our way up
[11:07] Blondin Linden: ?
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: that would be grossly unfair...haha
[11:07] Lias Leandros: sounds good
[11:07] Silvanus Northman: crossed transaction....
[11:07] Lias Leandros: its not unfair ginnette becaquse your 4 items never movbe from the top of the agenda
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: old business befroe new business.......meeting standard
[11:08] Lias Leandros: there are two new people with agenda items
[11:08] Blondin Linden: Ill start at the bottom this week and be sure to clear the agenda after this meeting.
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: ok..well standarsd are shot, I guess
[11:08] Counter Landfall: sounds good
[11:09] Blondin Linden: Dont worry Ginette. We'll get back to it next week . :)
[11:09] Blondin Linden: So There's a JIra Aprille wanted someone to look at
[11:09] Blondin Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-3246
[11:09] Blondin Linden: I took a look this morning
[11:09] Blondin Linden: it seems that its a problem with the 1.23 veiwer
[11:09] Lias Leandros: oh
[11:10] Blondin Linden: If you want to vote on it - feel free, but Im not sure that it's going to ge the attention that she wants b/c its not in any of the 2.0 Viewers.
[11:10] Zada Bury: Aprille wanted 4 or 5 times to look on >_< [11:10] Lias Leandros: ok s if its only 1.23 then its a non -issue I guess [11:10] Blondin Linden: im pretty sure that all work has stopped on 1.23 [11:10] Counter Landfall: well, since half the grid is still on a version 1 viewer it needs attention [11:11] Lias Leandros: she will test it on 2.1 I assume and get back to us [11:11] Qie Niangao: well, but it's not actually a viewer issue, inasmuch as it worked up until recently [11:11] Lias Leandros: when are they no longer using 1.23 Blondin? [11:11] Counter Landfall: or, you need to make an announcment telling everyone what the status is [11:12] Blondin Linden: I dont know Lias. I think they are keeping it around until they are comfortable with how 2.x is preforming [11:12] Blondin Linden: I havent heard one way or another [11:12] Blondin Linden: Ok, moving on [11:12] Blondin Linden: I see that Jezebel has some items [11:12] Blondin Linden: is she here? [11:12] Lias Leandros: no she cant be here [11:12] Lias Leandros: but I helped her post [11:12] Ginette Pinazzo: no....I can present for her iuf you want..or not [11:12] Lias Leandros: oh ok [11:13] Blondin Linden: um sure. [11:13] Lias Leandros: Did you discuss it with her Ginette? [11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: since we;re going backwars.....ok...Mediators? [11:13] Blondin Linden: yep [11:13] Blondin Linden: http://jezebelesrealm.blogspot.com/2010/11/agenda-items-proposal-for-zindra-oh.html [11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Jeze and I talked for abouyt 2 hours [11:13] Lias Leandros: ok [11:13] Lias Leandros: I helped her get it set up this weekend [11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: understands, Ill just relay the info and frame it as best I can.......... [11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: Mediators.... [11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: can soemone post the link relaly quick? [11:14] Blondin Linden: http://jezebelesrealm.blogspot.com/2010/11/agenda-items-proposal-for-zindra-oh.html [11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: I also share Jeze's concern. Bickering, arguing, 'power-plays' and dysfunction cost the ZE members, cost these meetings attendance and damage Zindra community. I spoke with Jeze and I encouraged her to create a more specific proposal for a solution. ....... [11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: A related issue which Jeze often mentions, is that people like her cannot attend these meetings, so a process needs to created to allow for inclusion for those people (the majority of Zindra residents). We need to increase the 'talent pool' here. I hope we see specific proposals about Mediation and about More Inclusion from Residents soon. [11:15] Lias Leandros: Proposal: To establish a meeting scribe to professionally write the meeting agenda, followed by an addendum of updates as to who is commenting, suggesting, or proposing ideas. Transcripts are a poor method of saying "In agreement, agenda item, has been solved." To eliminate the abuse by having a posting etiquette guideline for the group. To moderate the meetings to stay on target. [11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: FIN (I know its not much) [11:15] Lias Leandros: thats the gist of it [11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: no lias...we are talking abt the Mediators topic [11:16] Lias Leandros: she seems to want a secretary role - and although that was agreedupon there is opposition so its not really being recognized [11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: I know Jeze has her 3 topics at the same link [11:16] Lias Leandros: Proposal: A group of advocates willing to help be the communication liaison for the individuals who have the schism. That are not currently spearheading any topic proposal or event for the Zindra expo. Giving more stewardship towards the group versus the back biting, and abuse. By virtue of also moderating the meetings and chat within the Expo group. [11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: can we stay on one topic ata tiem ploease: Mediators [11:17] Lias Leandros: I suggest these peopel would exist in the Mentor group that works with Zindra [11:17] Lias Leandros: once we get that arranged [11:17] Blondin Linden: well, one thing we do for Bay City is rotate the times of which we meeting. One week its 1pm the next its 4pm. Granted, I can get confused sometimes and forget the times. but thats one option [11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: I see going backwards is not any better at these metings [11:17] Counter Landfall: are we back on the path to make the ZE a community group again Ginette? [11:18] Lias Leandros: I dontthink Jezze wanted that [11:18] Counter Landfall: some of the things you mention should not even apply to an event group? [11:18] Lias Leandros: those were Jezze's ideas [11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin....do you have respoonse to the Mediators topic before we move on? Jezze is referring toi the dysfucntin within THESE meetinsg and the ripples that go ot from them [11:18] Lias Leandros: and I think they can be aprt of the mentoring group in Zindra [11:18] Counter Landfall: yes, but Ginette apply the iedas to the ZE group [11:19] Lias Leandros: Jezze is referring to a body to deal with that [11:19] Lias Leandros: ZE is a land management group [11:19] Counter Landfall: probably more correct Lias [11:19] Lias Leandros: Mental Mentors or Metors Gone Wild would be a good fit to take on such a role [11:19] Blondin Linden: Yeah GInette, its kinda hard to do that. SOme people arent going to recognize others as a moderate and if asked to leave, will sort of just ignore them [11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: seems even more apparent right NOW mediator(s) are needed..haha [11:20] Blondin Linden: So its difficult. [11:20] Lias Leandros: ask to leave? lol [11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Blondin.....its diffcult [11:20] Hypatia Darkstone: ze is a comunity group by default becaus it is a colection of comunity members so it functions as such [11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: but Id encourage anyone (inclsuing Jeze) to write up a specific proposal for a way it might be done...there might be soemthing clever [11:20] Lias Leandros: mediators dont kick people out, lol [11:20] Lias Leandros: yu are looking for a bouncer [11:20] Silvanus Northman waves at Hypatia [11:21] Lias Leandros: mediation would not happen here at the meeting [11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: there are peoepl who otn even come to these meetings because of the dysfunction...its toxic [11:21] Lias Leandros: it would be an agreed upon meeting at some other time [11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: Lias....a 'can-do' attitude would help [11:21] Arcadia Sweetwater: then the moderators should have a tag showing they are moderators and a notification of their powers would be in order [11:21] Blondin Linden: I think the best bet Ginette would be to find an additional time for this meeting and alternate it week to week [11:21] Lias Leandros: I have no idea whatthatmeans [11:22] Subdue Restaurant Greeter: Candymann Flux entered the defined area. 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[11:22] Lias Leandros: Blondin you want to change your meeting time each week?
[11:22] Lias Leandros: wut?
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: maybe
[11:22] Counter Landfall: the problem is that if you run the meetings very much later, Europe will miss them
[11:22] Blondin Linden: that way, we get more people involved who may not be able to, or want to attend this particual meeting
[11:22] Lias Leandros: if you change the set time then you confuse people
[11:23] BBQBill Odriscoll: There is no single good time. Alternating is a good option.
[11:23] Kaddan Yue: and right not most of US is at work
[11:23] Blondin Linden: well Counter, then Europeans would have THIS option
[11:23] BBQBill Odriscoll: Set them up for Eurpoe and AP loses
[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: conmfusion is an issue......teher si soemthing you should thjink about Blondin....if communication was better...peoepl woudlnt ZNEED to coem to meetings to know whats going on and get involved....jus saying
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ok, lets move on
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes it is difficutl
[11:23] Lias Leandros: if you have two meetings then you will be making decisions at one meeting and different decisions at the other
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes, and that will be more chaotic
[11:23] Dancer Greenfield: No time is perfect for everyone... people who want to be here but can't can at least send in their ideas in notecards
[11:23] Lias Leandros: I forsee issues with that happening
[11:24] Blondin Linden: no lias, its 1 meeting with two different times
[11:24] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed Dancer
[11:24] Lias Leandros: and two different audiences wth two different discussions
[11:24] BBQBill Odriscoll: I heard alternting times different weeks.
[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: that would be 'increasing the talent pool' in a way
[11:24] Blondin Linden: all the more reason to processes and documentation
[11:24] Blondin Linden: anywho, lets move on
[11:25] BBQBill Odriscoll: Correct Blondin
[11:25] BBQBill Odriscoll: And if you log the decisions and stick to agendas no one will see them again.
[11:25] Blondin Linden: Zindra Survey. Jezebel
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: ok...got it...
[11:25] Lias Leandros: Im not sure changing the time is the issue that Jezze was concerned about
[11:25] Counter Landfall: it was not
[11:25] Blondin Linden: it would give people who didnt want to come to this meeting another option
[11:25] Lias Leandros: Zindra Survey:
There is a lack of communication input from the variety of parcel and sim owners in Adult Mainland. These individuals are not represented at the OH Meetings. To provide a method of communication to those not plugged into the Expo group by personally greeting and delivering documentation about the goals of the group.
Proposal: To contact Zindra residents with information about the Zindra culture and begin networking processes to create interpersonal relationship in the form of networking by survey. To get an idea of what Zindrans want in the culture of Zindra. (In regards to events, current affairs, and mainland concerns). Giving the Zindra citizens a knowledge that the Zindra Expo group exists.
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: Jeze wantsa system where we can do surveys across continent......anotehr way for peoepl to get involcved......
[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: Jeze's idea is great and its one reason I keep talking about central communication (required to undertake these types of projects). I still believe that it's not a mentor issue at all, by the way, and I would continue to make the argument that a program like ZAP would be a simple first step towards this type of work.
[11:26] Silvanus Northman: it would be a step to show other ppl that they are welcome
[11:26] Lias Leandros: Counter has a meeting on Sunday at noon and there is one about the agenda on Saturdays at 11AM
[11:26] Lias Leandros: so there are options
[11:27] Blondin Linden: sounds ok. ANy ideas on HOW to set it up?
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: in order to get surveys out to peoepl, you need an officlka distribution system
[11:27] Lias Leandros: the Saturday meeting got us two more residents posting agenda items
[11:27] Lias Leandros: anyone can survey
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: we are taking about getting info out continent-wide.....not abt more meetings
[11:27] Lias Leandros: there is no 'official' distribution available except just a survey machine you can buy off the Marketplace
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: Id encourage that you rethink the ZAP concept Blondin, sans the mentor angle....
[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: its a way to get all of these things going....
[11:28] Lias Leandros: just set up a survey machine HERE and other ley points and get folks to use them
[11:28] Lias Leandros: the data goes t a website
[11:28] Counter Landfall: well there is a fundamental problem in reaching all the residents
[11:29] Lias Leandros: Jezze can do that if she chooses since its her concept
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: 'getting folks' is the issue.....only small percebnt will even use those machines...thats not comprehensive
[11:29] Counter Landfall: we dont have any easy way of mapping them
[11:29] Qie Niangao: somebody has to decide what questions to even ask on such surveys.
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: door-to-door ambassadors are comprehensive and human
[11:29] Lias Leandros: then they can use teh website once informed
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Qie...good point.....a survey would need to be created and approved
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[11:29] Lias Leandros: google gives a free survey site to anyone that wants to set it up
[11:29] Counter Landfall: I find that people typically dont want to use another website
[11:29] Counter Landfall: and it also breaks the immersion
[11:29] Blondin Linden: what kind of information are you looking for?
[11:30] Lias Leandros: lol no counter thats you, lol
[11:30] Lias Leandros: we use websites ten times a day
[11:30] Counter Landfall: yes it is me, but I have heard that a lot
[11:30] Counter Landfall: it is distracting
[11:30] Kaddan Yue: I agree with Counter
[11:30] BBQBill Odriscoll: I do too.
[11:30] Lias Leandros: Jezze would have to send over some survey questions for next week then
[11:31] Counter Landfall: sure, I'd like to see such a survey outline
[11:32] Blondin Linden: hm. Interesting. Im curious as to what kind of information she'd be after.
[11:32] Lias Leandros: Those of us , thousands of people in SL, use external websites to keep our scores, discuss our roles and update our status - so its not as taboo as some here feel it is.
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[11:32] Lias Leandros: SL would nto be where it is without external websites
[11:32] Counter Landfall: they do Lias, the problem is if you move too much outisde SL proer, there is no need to log in here
[11:32] Qie Niangao: "events, current affairs, and mainland concerns" -- whatever those mean, in specifics.
[11:32] Blondin Linden: Id suggest Media on a prim but I know a lot fo you dont use viewer 2
[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: I am sure Jeze can speak to this....but I am sure she was talking geenrally....just gettinga survey system in place....to get peopel more involved
[11:32] Counter Landfall: so it is intself distructive
[11:32] Silvanus Northman: back, wow that was a crash, sorry
[11:33] Blondin Linden: Ginette. I like the idea
[11:33] Arcadia Sweetwater: wb silver
[11:33] Lias Leandros: I belive she wanted to survey people to find out hat they want to get involved in
[11:33] Blondin Linden: details need to be worked out but I think its a positive step
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[11:34] Counter Landfall: so is it a survey for her business ideas?
[11:34] Counter Landfall: I guess there must be pelnty of general knowledge on the topic?
[11:34] Lias Leandros: we wont know until she send over her survey questions
[11:34] Blondin Linden: ok. Lets move on
[11:34] Blondin Linden: :)
[11:34] Counter Landfall: ... I cant type today
[11:34] Blondin Linden: Well discuss more next week
[11:34] Blondin Linden: Meetings & Transcripts
[11:35] Blondin Linden: another Jezebel
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: hello..I think this is more about a survey system at this point than specific questions......we shoudl concentrate on how best to get that system going....before we talk questions
[11:35] Blondin Linden: :)
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: ok this is an easy one from Jez...an old topic
[11:35] Lias Leandros: wellwe need specific questions for a survey to see if its worththe effort or not
[11:35] BBQBill Odriscoll: Its a capability Lias
[11:35] Counter Landfall: agreed Lias
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: This is really a revisit of the topic of meeting minutes/.recaps etc and I share the frustration of Jeze and others. Long transcripts are not what most people have time for, and they are not a replacement for a simple recap. Last we left off, there was no official recap process except putting the recap on the agenda wiki, but that backfired. Resident-run groups, like ZA, were told they could pass recaps along in their groups, and thats great (if they are accurate), but the OH itself doesnt have an official recap procedure. Not yet.
[11:35] Lias Leandros: I stillpst the transcripts and the answers for each question addressed from each week's meetings
[11:36] Lias Leandros: I send out THE WRAP on a notecard to Zindra Alliance each week
[11:36] colleen Criss: if you want official it has to go to Blondins Wiki huh
[11:36] Lias Leandros: its a short, comprehensive look at the agenda and teh answers
[11:36] Lias Leandros: hey colleen:-)
[11:36] Counter Landfall: I think the transcipts really help to clarify some issues at times - not always
[11:36] Lias Leandros: the wiki needs a second page then
[11:36] Dancer Greenfield: I think we can do both... a result protocol as the short version, and a full chat log for those who have the time to delve
[11:37] Counter Landfall: agreed Dancer
[11:37] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed
[11:37] Lias Leandros: I read teh entire transcript and pull out the answers from blondin
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: wahtever we do, if its not coming from LL, Blondin, or an LL group, its not 'official'....simpel enough concept
[11:37] Lias Leandros: it des not have to be 'officia' Ginette
[11:37] Qie Niangao: honestly, ideally, Blondin himself would maintain a public record of decisions made, action items taken, topics completed.
[11:37] Lias Leandros: we arent employees
[11:37] Counter Landfall: why are you so hung up on official Ginette?
[11:38] Counter Landfall: :-)
[11:38] colleen Criss: official is YOUR word Ginette no one else uses it
[11:38] Zada Bury: the "wrap" was a useful thing
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: we all witnessed edits and even made-up material or destrcutive commentary in 'minutes' sent out in resident run groups.....thats not a replacement for anythng offcial
[11:38] Lias Leandros: pasting the exact chat from Blondin that is in the transcript seems fair
[11:38] Silvanus Northman: official means that it passes instances
[11:38] Lias Leandros: this way no words are changed
[11:38] Dancer Greenfield: I agree that the result protocol should come from a Linden (sorry Blondin) rather than one of us
[11:38] Kaddan Yue: because that is what matters it coming official
[11:38] Forceme Silverspar: When we want stuff from LL like their sims and stuff, there has to be some sort of official doesn't there?
[11:39] colleen Criss: I agree Ive had mine *edited* its wrong to do so
[11:39] Blondin Linden: Unfortuantely, I dont have the time to do that to the effect that most people want. I can try and jot down the action items on the wiki each week but I dont have the bandwidth to make full on reports available
[11:39] Lias Leandros: No Linden is going to sit down each week and go thru transcripst and find chat responses to specific questions
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: All we need is Agenda Item/Decision
[11:39] Lias Leandros: ts very easy to check back at the log from the trimestamp of teh wuote to make sure its correct
[11:39] Counter Landfall: why don't we appoint a secretary who publish the minutes and trnscrips
[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: action items / bullet points ar eprobably what everyone would need most anyway
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: Followed by the transcript
[11:40] Counter Landfall: and if there are errors, they get corrected at the next meeting
[11:40] Lias Leandros: we did that October 8th Counter
[11:40] Counter Landfall: pretty standard meeting procedure
[11:40] Counter Landfall: this is not government yet, or? ;-)
[11:40] BBQBill Odriscoll: First Yes. First item on the next agenda.
[11:40] Blondin Linden: ok. I'll try and do it this week. Take a look after we;re done here , on the wiki and let me know.
[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: ok Blondin....hopefully it wont be backwarsd
[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: it is standard.....and we propsoed that but the wiki is the only solutin we recived...
[11:40] Dancer Greenfield: Good idea, Counter... one person writes a result protocol, and next week we can come back to it if anyone thinks it's been written wrong, based on the fill chat log
[11:41] Subdue Restaurant Greeter: Velvet Soir entered the defined area. (Yedboro <247.58821, 232.38272, 35.60651>)
[11:41] Dancer Greenfield: fill=full
[11:41] Zada Bury: really a secretary we haven't choose ... Ginette was starting to organise things well at the begin, where nobody wanted to use the Wiki.
[11:41] Lias Leandros: on the October 8th Blondin and Counter dcided to have a Seretary posiytion in the ZA group and people could join that role and take turns doing exactly what Jezze just proposed this week
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: nio lias...thats ZA.....you were told you could pass recaps, but not the official secretary of ZE or LL
[11:42] Lias Leandros: its in the transcripts
[11:42] Counter Landfall: well it does not have to be someone in ZA, but I am happy to host that role of people want
[11:42] Lias Leandros: yes thats it Ginette
[11:42] Lias Leandros: All transcripts are posted
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: you read what you wanted to read, as suual...read it all
[11:42] Blondin Linden: and Lias, thats great for that group but what about htose who arent in it?
[11:42] Blondin Linden: anyway
[11:42] Date Bar Infogiver: Andy Nkremos entered the defined area. (Adult Community Center <98.17384, 147.22760, 24.99209>)
[11:42] Blondin Linden: lets keep things moving
[11:42] Blondin Linden: Flickr Group Content Standards
[11:42] Forceme Silverspar: Bingo Blondin.
[11:42] Blondin Linden: I already mentioned this at the top of the hour
[11:42] Lias Leandros: Its an open enrollement group Blondin
[11:43] Forceme Silverspar: Means nothing.
[11:43] Lias Leandros: if someone wanted to be the secretary for the month then they would join for a month and do that
[11:43] Forceme Silverspar: Next item?
[11:43] Blondin Linden: I agree that some standards neeed to be put in place. Ill take a crack at this this week and come back with a draft
[11:43] Counter Landfall: all righty
[11:43] Ginette Pinazzo: Content Standards? fabulous
[11:43] BBQBill Odriscoll: Sounds good
[11:43] Lias Leandros: when one volunteers one needs to follow some protocol to follow the task description they volunteer for
[11:43] Qie Niangao: excellent
[11:43] Blondin Linden: Zindra unZipped EXPO proposal
[11:43] Blondin Linden: Next item is the Zindra Unziped
[11:44] Blondin Linden: this from the Zindra Alliance?
[11:44] colleen Criss: Im really interested in Aprille Shepherd , I know I was late did that get coverage yet?
[11:44] Counter Landfall: no progress on content, just a reservation for the sim
[11:44] Counter Landfall: yes it is
[11:44] Blondin Linden: I'm going to ask that you do up a proposal
[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: if counter follows the actual Island Events proposal procedure, like anyone,
[11:44] Lias Leandros: please
[11:44] Lias Leandros: Ginette you didnt follow trhatstandard with your art maze
[11:44] colleen Criss: who created the events proposal procedure please?
[11:45] Ginette Pinazzo: Counter the guideliens or on the Island actually if you need them....or a NC I can pass
[11:45] Blondin Linden: it was discussed here
[11:45] Lias Leandros: thats nonsense
[11:45] Blondin Linden: and I took it back internally and we discussed
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and no one is agreeing that anyone on their production team has to be in SL for a year or they cant be on th eteam
[11:45] Lias Leandros: discusses is not agreed upon Blondin
[11:45] Counter Landfall: hand it to me and I will do the procedure, but not this week
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and its no where but on her private site
[11:45] Lias Leandros: no one can see that
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and some of it is nonsense
[11:45] colleen Criss: so Blondin you want us all to follow Gunettere procedure ? but she didnt?
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and even she didnt follow it
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: nonsense? a lot of it was written by Blondin.....pay attention
[11:46] colleen Criss: ginette's * sorry
[11:46] Lias Leandros: its NONSENSE
[11:46] Forceme Silverspar: Yes she did.
[11:46] Lias Leandros: she had no timeline in place
[11:46] Counter Landfall: even Lindens may produce nonsense, hehe
[11:46] Lias Leandros: and was approved anyway
[11:46] Blondin Linden: I did have a say in how this was drafted
[11:46] colleen Criss: no she didnt she had no set time frame in her proposal till last weekk
[11:46] Blondin Linden: If you would like to use those regions, just take a look at this: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zexpo-island-seasonal-events-campaign
[11:46] Lias Leandros: I dont think you paid attention to that 'have to be in SL for a year' nonsens Blondin
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: and you know what? if you are going to continually try to smear and undermine every little thing, including an event we are woreking hard on......I dotn see the point in taking you seriosuly anymore.......I am here for positive reasons, like most poepel.......
[11:47] BBQBill Odriscoll: This isn't rocket science. If mistakes are made we will do better next time
[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin WROTE that lias...the one year criteria
[11:47] Lias Leandros: even mentors are only 6 months
[11:47] Blondin Linden: But - April is so far ahead of the game, the ZA wont have a problem reserving it
[11:47] Lias Leandros: nooo
[11:47] Counter Landfall: I just live this. I get a Adult Content Warning from google opening that linke :-))))
[11:47] Aprille Shepherd: ^^
[11:47] Lias Leandros: My secretary does not need tobe here for a year to send out notecards for me
[11:47] Forceme Silverspar: And if it is Blondin's sims, then Blondin has the right to set out what he wants in terms of paper work. Quit arguing and fighting with him, do the procedure that mostly he has written.
[11:47] Qie Niangao: Fine, whatever. Let's get somebody to fill in the form, before it turns into an ERP application. Is there any reason that the proposal wouldn't be accepted?
[11:47] Lias Leandros: its not Blondin's sims
[11:48] Forceme Silverspar: Whose are they then?
[11:48] Counter Landfall: ok, lets move to the enxt topic
[11:48] Kaddan Yue: he works for LL
[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Qie...there are many reasons.....if the criteria are not met, obviously
[11:48] Lias Leandros: Linden Lab
[11:48] Kaddan Yue: so let's keep it moving
[11:48] Blondin Linden: Its not a form to fill out. THe point of it is to get those who are proposing an event to think about the details. Thats all.
[11:48] Lias Leandros: and I work for NYC - DO I own Central Park?
[11:48] colleen Criss: did you write this proposal Blondin? the proceedure?
[11:48] Forceme Silverspar: They are four LL sims. Blondin is their rep here.
[11:48] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed Counter. Move on.
[11:48] Blondin Linden: yes Colleen, I had a hand in it
[11:49] Blondin Linden: Moving on
[11:49] BBQBill Odriscoll: Ginette wrote a proposal with Blondin's help. It may not have been perfect.
[11:49] Blondin Linden: Permanent bridge in the Distrel sim
[11:49] BBQBill Odriscoll: Move on
[11:49] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:49] Ginette Pinazzo: tell us about the bridge!
[11:49] Counter Landfall: that would help
[11:49] colleen Criss: but its on Ginettes site and not your wiki?
[11:49] Lias Leandros: and it was certainly NOT accepted as the procedure
[11:49] Blondin Linden: how so Counter?
[11:49] Lias Leandros: it was just removed from the agenda and never adressed again
[11:49] Counter Landfall: the idea is that it will connect the sims and not every exhibitor have to make a bridge
[11:50] Blondin Linden: fair enough.
[11:50] BBQBill Odriscoll: I like it
[11:50] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin.....is it even relevant...soem events may not need the bridge?
[11:50] Pagan Sunburn: hello Mr. Linden
[11:50] Blondin Linden: Ill ask Micheal to see if he has soething in stock or if a Mole can do it
[11:50] Counter Landfall: great
[11:50] Dancer Greenfield: A bridge is good, whether it's being used or not
[11:51] Qie Niangao: (note that it will use prims that then won't be available for event content... not that I think that would ever be an issue, in practice)
[11:51] BBQBill Odriscoll: I don't see any harm in it.
[11:51] Lias Leandros: will we fall thru on sim crossing?>
[11:51] Blondin Linden: Ginette, if it becomes a problem, then I can always take the bridge temporarily and then put it back
[11:51] Ginette Pinazzo: makes sense
[11:51] Dancer Greenfield: It doesn't have to be a beautifully crafted 500 prim bridge :)
[11:51] Hypatia Darkstone: the moles like high prim i noticed
[11:51] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed Dancer
[11:51] Forceme Silverspar grins, Aww shame ㋡
[11:51] Counter Landfall: but now we soon have mesh
[11:52] BBQBill Odriscoll: Heh heh...
[11:52] Lias Leandros: Moles have Gove Linden Land prims to use
[11:52] Zada Bury: to bad, Big-prims are a no-no
[11:52] Blondin Linden: next item, moving from the bottom up still - The ZA's SNowman building contest
[11:52] Blondin Linden: was there an update from last week guys?
[11:52] Pagan Sunburn: no mopre megas?
[11:52] Ginette Pinazzo: I have a few thinsg to say abt it..haha
[11:52] Counter Landfall: there was an update sent to ZA
[11:52] Pagan Sunburn: *more
[11:52] Lias Leandros: we met Sunday and planned some stuff
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we have issued a ticket in the support system about the sim texture and ice on the water
[11:53] Counter Landfall: and I need to have a discussion with you about practicalities around rezzing
[11:53] Hypatia Darkstone: actuly arnt we gettin megs wit mesh when it finaly arives
[11:53] Forceme Silverspar: Is there a procedure to the Zindra sim to be dished out or is it grab it if ya got an idea?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we also drafted some rules, but not there yet
[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo: seesm ZA is palnning a month-long event on Zindra sim? did I get that right?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: yes Ginette
[11:54] Counter Landfall: so more detials next week
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: forgive mne quoting but.......
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: [11:51] Blondin Linden: so Counter, here is an idea. Have the snowman building contest and ask people to build on their land. Then, when you are ready to judge, we'll make it so we can place them all out on ZIndra
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: thats not a month-long event
[11:54] Counter Landfall: wahtever Ginette
[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:54] Counter Landfall: we want it to be a month
[11:54] Lias Leandros: a buld contest takes place on the build contest area - as usual
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: we dont have a Zindra sim events process yet......this is not appropriate...the way its being done
[11:55] Qie Niangao: oh, oh! important to ask: is LL planning an annual "Winter Faire" again as usual? And if so, can we link the snowman thing to it, as a kind of "fringe festival" ?
[11:55] Silvanus Northman: btw counter, why does your event-pic show a kid infront of a gay snowman - isnt childplay forbidden?
[11:55] Lias Leandros: we dont need your process Ginette - just going to build snowmwen and delete them in January
[11:55] Counter Landfall: it is not the event pic
[11:55] Lias Leandros: Sil you're realy desperate now
[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin...this system is being abused and I dotn see why anyone would take it seriosuly.....
[11:55] Counter Landfall: it was to create ideas
[11:55] colleen Criss: abused
[11:55] Silvanus Northman: ok so seems to be an uups
[11:56] colleen Criss: it was Blondin who told him to use zondra sim
[11:56] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin? No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:56] Silvanus Northman: could be missunderstood...
[11:56] Counter Landfall: and gay is not adult where I live
[11:56] Blondin Linden: We are in fact planning a winterfest. More details in the December's Sandbox newsletter
[11:56] colleen Criss: Zindra*
[11:56] Counter Landfall: gays can marry on equal terms with everyone else
[11:56] Lias Leandros: Ginette why are trying so hard to block a snowman build contest on an island that you arent even using when you have been given 4 sims for free to use and you didnt follow any protocol to get them?
[11:56] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin, did ya see my question please?
[11:56] Ginette Pinazzo: Bl0ondin said you coudol rez snowmen for judging....thats not a month lojg 'Snowman Unzipped'....you are taking advatage of a public space
[11:56] Silvanus Northman: thats good wish it would be here same too Counter, just the boy was surprising me
[11:57] colleen Criss: why do you care?
[11:57] Counter Landfall: Ginette stop wordsmithing Blondin.
[11:57] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin... not sure if the schedule overlaps... but would be really good to have *something* Zinda-related connected to Winterfest
[11:57] colleen Criss: its on zindra not your sims
[11:57] colleen Criss: lol
[11:57] Counter Landfall: we will make a proper proposal for him, ok?
[11:57] Forceme Silverspar: lol it's not yours either. lol lol lol
[11:57] BBQBill Odriscoll: We are learning how to do this.
[11:57] BBQBill Odriscoll: Procedure is new
[11:57] Counter Landfall: and we will not allow depiction of children in the venue
[11:57] Lias Leandros: Gientte sent out a 'proposal' to Counter to get him to allow her to be involvbed on a management level forthis event and when he turned her down she now sits here trying to degrade the event
[11:58] Blondin Linden: Well, how about next week we hear more from the ZA about what they want to do and decide from there
[11:58] BBQBill Odriscoll: Let's cut some slack. Conuter said he will do a proposal
[11:58] Counter Landfall: not turned her down
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: thats not5 true Liass....never lie in public liek that or misrepresent
[11:58] BBQBill Odriscoll: That works for me.
[11:58] Lias Leandros: I have that on a website if you want to chek it out
[11:58] Counter Landfall: we dont have to do it here
[11:58] Blondin Linden: and I wanted to mention the Wiki and the stuff about Adult content
[11:58] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin, shall I post my question a fourth time? No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:58] Counter Landfall: she can participate in the planning meetings
[11:58] Kaddan Yue: why is this getting personal, have we finished the agenda stuff
[11:58] Blondin Linden: we only have a minutes left
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: I have no interest in degarding....I in fact have a positive solution....but Ive been spit in the face when I mewntione dit
[11:58] Counter Landfall: it is just liek we XA will not get involved in her femdom events
[11:59] Blondin Linden: I've tried to update all the wiki pages the best I could. If you have the time, take a look through the pages and let me know if something is outdated. I ahve the ability to correct it
[11:59] Counter Landfall: accepts that this is a ZA led event open for everyone?
[11:59] Zada Bury: oh ... before you hide that fast out: "See you next week and thank you, Blondin"
[11:59] Lias Leandros: a snowman build does not need a positive solution
[11:59] Lias Leandros: its all set
[11:59] Blondin Linden: ok all
[11:59] Blondin Linden: I do have to go
[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo: thankjs Blondin
[11:59] Silvanus Northman: we'll do , I will look
[11:59] Blondin Linden: tyl
[11:59] Silvanus Northman: ty Blondin
[11:59] Zada Bury: *purrs*
[11:59] Silvanus Northman: tc : )
[11:59] Pagan Sunburn: Mr. Linden, can I please talk to you in IM?
[11:59] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin
[11:59] Kira Welty: Take care Blondin
[11:59] Redlag Mayo: bye
[11:59] Counter Landfall: cheers
[11:59] BBQBill Odriscoll: Take care Blondin
[12:00] Dancer Greenfield: Bye Blondin, thanks for your time
[12:00] Silvanus Northman: Hi Pagan
[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo: sorry yoru question never got answered Force...but I think we know the answer
[12:00] Forceme Silverspar: What it is?
[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao....enjoy the chaos...backwars meetings! whew!
[12:00] Forceme Silverspar: I am easy either way, I just like to know what the rule is.
[12:00] colleen Criss: Blondin went backwards?
[12:01] colleen Criss: well gee it is his OH guess he can
[12:01] Lias Leandros: yes
[12:01] Lias Leandros: we cant discuss your 4 agenda utems each week Gientte
[12:01] Dancer Greenfield: I'm sure Blondin had a reason for Blondin going through the agenda backwards
[12:01] BBQBill Odriscoll: Forceme, let's assume paperwork is needed. Counter already said he will do it.
[12:01] Lias Leandros: enough of the Ginette government design meeting
[12:01] Ginette Pinazzo: sdrawkcab tnew nidnolB
[12:01] BBQBill Odriscoll: Let's do it right.
[12:01] Forceme Silverspar: Arh good, I am excited about the snowman project.
[12:01] Hypatia Darkstone: going back ward ,wonder what th hiden messages is :))
[12:01] Counter Landfall: will do paperwork for the unzipped Expo, not for the snowman
[12:01] Lias Leandros: BBQBill there is no 'right' its just getting Blondfin to agree and thats it
[12:02] Counter Landfall: that is a done deal
[12:02] Counter Landfall: accept it
[12:02] Forceme Silverspar: Oh... no paper for snowman?
[12:02] Lias Leandros: there is no procedure and there does nothave to be one for a snowman build contest
[12:02] Lias Leandros: red tape and nonsense
[12:02] Counter Landfall: no Forceme
[12:02] Ginette Pinazzo: BBQ....a long tiemj ago, it was decided by Blondin wed have a process for getting evetns at that Sim......maybe......but we never did it yet.....I can explain it to you later...soem have forgotten it seems
[12:02] Forceme Silverspar: What if Blondin insists?
[12:02] Counter Landfall: he wont
[12:02] Forceme Silverspar: WHat if you don't get it without it?
[12:02] Counter Landfall: he does not have time for bullshit
[12:03] Forceme Silverspar: Arh OK.
[12:03] colleen Criss: he was told already to do it last week
[12:03] colleen Criss: end of story
[12:03] Lias Leandros: Ginette didnt follwo that process
[12:03] Lias Leandros: so its moot
[12:03] BBQBill Odriscoll: If we are to be a community we have to have some organization and standards, otherwise we are just weilding influence
[12:03] Ginette Pinazzo: lie again lias ...why dotn you?
[12:03] colleen Criss: good point BBQ
[12:03] Lias Leandros: anyone can propose anything BBQ
[12:03] Lias Leandros: thats fair
[12:03] Forceme Silverspar: She did but I ain't wasting my brath arguing with you Lias.
[12:03] Ginette Pinazzo: yes BBQ......organisation is what will save us
[12:03] Forceme Silverspar: Brath!!? What's that!
[12:03] BBQBill Odriscoll: Rules need to be set and followed, even if Blondin dometimes overlooks them,
[12:03] Lias Leandros: last week she decuded t choose a date for her event
[12:04] Qie Niangao: look, if the 4-sims long-duration events need heavy process, fine... but we gotta have somewhere with quick turn-around. When did LL suddenly become frikkin' IBM?
[12:04] Ginette Pinazzo: ugh...I am off....enjoy the show
[12:04] Lias Leandros: her 'guidelines' state you have to have that in place before approval
[12:04] Lias Leandros: and she was approved with out that
[12:04] Counter Landfall: the procedure is for the 4 sims
[12:04] Forceme Silverspar: Ok, I will leave you all to ya words... bye bye! Have a good week everyone and take care of each other.
[12:04] Lias Leandros: so she did not follow the guidelines
[12:04] colleen Criss: but Guna doesnt get to be the head of all organized events on this contintent
[12:04] Counter Landfall: we made a deal with Blondin over the Zindra sim
[12:04] Counter Landfall: accept it
[12:04] Lias Leandros: exactly
[12:04] Ginette Pinazzo: way to be helpful coleen...really...ciao
[12:04] colleen Criss: Im very helpful
[12:05] Lias Leandros: and the person that got granted 4 sims with no ptotocol wants to block a one sim snowman build
[12:05] BBQBill Odriscoll: So let it go. We don't need a rubber stamp, we need to agree as a community.
[12:05] BBQBill Odriscoll: Arguments are a waste of time
[12:05] Lias Leandros: Fillibustering in November to block a snowman build contest is just wrong
[12:05] colleen Criss: tons ofava tars n this contenient with great ideas and they dont need Ginette to bring them to fruition
[12:05] BBQBill Odriscoll: Gina, do you want to block the snowman build?
[12:06] Counter Landfall: particularly because it does not block the use of the 4 sims
[12:06] BBQBill Odriscoll: The snowman build sounds like a good thing.
[12:06] colleen Criss: it sure is
[12:06] colleen Criss: and will be fun
[12:06] Lias Leandros: blobking it is just a power play
[12:06] BBQBill Odriscoll: The arguments are about organization and procedure
[12:06] Lias Leandros: no they are not
[12:06] Lias Leandros: because they are hypocritical
[12:06] BBQBill Odriscoll: Whatthen?
[12:07] Lias Leandros: power play
[12:07] BBQBill Odriscoll: Look, if we agree on a procedure and floow it,
[12:07] Counter Landfall: Ginette wants ZE to be THE community group
[12:07] colleen Criss: Blondin ok'd it already its now up to Counter and his staff to bring it to life
[12:07] BBQBill Odriscoll: There is no power play, just process.
[12:07] Lias Leandros: its too late in the season to throw up some phony 'procedure'
[12:07] Zada Bury: *pokes Arcadia and Pagan* back to business, you two
[12:07] Lias Leandros: its a snowman build
[12:07] Counter Landfall: anything she can do to throw a spanner itnot other such grousp, she will do
[12:07] Lias Leandros: on the sim of Zindra
[12:07] BBQBill Odriscoll: So, does a proposal hurt anything? It communicates what you are doing.
[12:07] You decline Manhattan City New York, Harlem from A group member named KittyKatt Carlucci.
[12:08] Lias Leandros: its already approved
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: Write the proposal and be done.
[12:08] Lias Leandros: next time BBQ
[12:08] Counter Landfall: it is approved
[12:08] Lias Leandros: we promise
[12:08] colleen Criss: process was this Counter asked Blondin said yes end of story
[12:08] Counter Landfall: it is very simple
[12:08] Arcadia Sweetwater blows kisses and disapears in a puff of catnip
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: So, it communicates what you are doing to the community
[12:08] Silvanus Northman: bye arcadia : )
[12:08] Counter Landfall: you dont need a project paln ten pages for this
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: Take care
[12:08] Qie Niangao: You know, what these meetings really need is more attention to procedure. Why, I bet a true parliamentarian could prevent absolutely *anything* from getting done.
[12:08] Zada Bury: *waves around* see you all next week... or sunday ... or so.
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: No. Agreed
[12:08] Counter Landfall: we need some practical arrangements and a few good people to make it happen
[12:08] Qie Niangao: have fun folks.
[12:08] Lias Leandros: He will answer any questions here and on Sunday about this ultra complex snowman build
[12:08] colleen Criss: this is OH NOT government
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: Take care
[12:09] BBQBill Odriscoll: This is not even close to parlimentary procedure.
[12:09] Counter Landfall: it is not
[12:09] Counter Landfall: even though some peole seem to think it is
[12:09] Counter Landfall: very true
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Bunny Mileman gave you From Bunny about event posting.
[11:01] Blondin Linden: waiting for things to rez before I take a seat
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hope everyone had a nice wknd
[11:01] Blondin Linden: :)
[11:01] Zada Bury: the one left from Arcadia is empty
[11:01] Silvanus Northman: hope you too ^^
[11:02] A group member named Counter Landfall owned by the group 'Zindra Alliance' gave you Zindra Group Minutes November 7, 2010.
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: just sit on that nice cup of SL coffee! its rezzed!
[11:02] You decline Naughty Snowman from A group member named Counter Landfall.
[11:02] Qie Niangao: (Silvanus: Oh, it's a .swf... I'm on Linux so any flash I get is by chance)
[11:02] Blondin Linden: yeah, though I must admit Sundays are getting tough. Too much good tv on Sundays :)
[11:02] Arcadia Sweetwater: can i hav a catnip tea
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: ok : )
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: who watches tv anymore?
[11:02] Blondin Linden: i do!!
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: good to know, ty Qie for info : )
[11:02] Blondin Linden: we can start
[11:02] Blondin Linden: anywho
[11:03] Blondin Linden: First thing I want to say is, i keep forgetting to deleted and update each week and thats my fault
[11:03] Blondin Linden: in terms of the agenda
[11:03] Blondin Linden: so after each meeting, I'm gunna take everything thats on there and delete it , re date it and let people fill in from there
[11:04] Blondin Linden: b/c I was jsut looking it over and it's getting pretty lengthy :)
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: well, peoep do add things but deeleting old things is an issue, yes
[11:04] Blondin Linden: and Im not sure what from last week needs to be talked about again
[11:04] Blondin Linden: SO!
[11:04] Zada Bury: well ... these things can happen
[11:04] Lias Leandros: I deleted my old item already
[11:04] Blondin Linden: lets try and zip through the first few items pretty quickly
[11:04] Blondin Linden: we can do that b/c I dont have much to add :( wah
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Up First, Flickr sliude show
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Sil was nice enough to join me while I planted them out on the Zindra infohubs
[11:05] Blondin Linden: things seem to be working well ya?
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: placesd at Podyan and Zindra sim
[11:05] Blondin Linden: (looksa t Sil)
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: seems ok
[11:06] Blondin Linden: what I want to do next about that is put some sort of rule around posting
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: yes, I already made a new desing too, which will fit to the Info-Hubs ( I hope)
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: and to handle more easy, no more ownersay.....
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: then
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[11:06] Kaddan Yue: oops
[11:06] Silvanus Northman: already passed one to Gina
[11:06] Blondin Linden: just to keep it fair and easy to understand what to post and what not to
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: that item is far down the agenda Blondin.....content stanbdards I thinkm its caleld
[11:06] Blondin Linden: so Ill take a crack at that this week. Feel free to send ideas my way
[11:06] Blondin Linden: oh was it/!
[11:06] Blondin Linden: Apologies
[11:07] Blondin Linden: maybe we should start at the bottom and work our way up
[11:07] Blondin Linden: ?
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: that would be grossly unfair...haha
[11:07] Lias Leandros: sounds good
[11:07] Silvanus Northman: crossed transaction....
[11:07] Lias Leandros: its not unfair ginnette becaquse your 4 items never movbe from the top of the agenda
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: old business befroe new business.......meeting standard
[11:08] Lias Leandros: there are two new people with agenda items
[11:08] Blondin Linden: Ill start at the bottom this week and be sure to clear the agenda after this meeting.
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: ok..well standarsd are shot, I guess
[11:08] Counter Landfall: sounds good
[11:09] Blondin Linden: Dont worry Ginette. We'll get back to it next week . :)
[11:09] Blondin Linden: So There's a JIra Aprille wanted someone to look at
[11:09] Blondin Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-3246
[11:09] Blondin Linden: I took a look this morning
[11:09] Blondin Linden: it seems that its a problem with the 1.23 veiwer
[11:09] Lias Leandros: oh
[11:10] Blondin Linden: If you want to vote on it - feel free, but Im not sure that it's going to ge the attention that she wants b/c its not in any of the 2.0 Viewers.
[11:10] Zada Bury: Aprille wanted 4 or 5 times to look on >_< [11:10] Lias Leandros: ok s if its only 1.23 then its a non -issue I guess [11:10] Blondin Linden: im pretty sure that all work has stopped on 1.23 [11:10] Counter Landfall: well, since half the grid is still on a version 1 viewer it needs attention [11:11] Lias Leandros: she will test it on 2.1 I assume and get back to us [11:11] Qie Niangao: well, but it's not actually a viewer issue, inasmuch as it worked up until recently [11:11] Lias Leandros: when are they no longer using 1.23 Blondin? [11:11] Counter Landfall: or, you need to make an announcment telling everyone what the status is [11:12] Blondin Linden: I dont know Lias. I think they are keeping it around until they are comfortable with how 2.x is preforming [11:12] Blondin Linden: I havent heard one way or another [11:12] Blondin Linden: Ok, moving on [11:12] Blondin Linden: I see that Jezebel has some items [11:12] Blondin Linden: is she here? [11:12] Lias Leandros: no she cant be here [11:12] Lias Leandros: but I helped her post [11:12] Ginette Pinazzo: no....I can present for her iuf you want..or not [11:12] Lias Leandros: oh ok [11:13] Blondin Linden: um sure. [11:13] Lias Leandros: Did you discuss it with her Ginette? [11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: since we;re going backwars.....ok...Mediators? [11:13] Blondin Linden: yep [11:13] Blondin Linden: http://jezebelesrealm.blogspot.com/2010/11/agenda-items-proposal-for-zindra-oh.html [11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Jeze and I talked for abouyt 2 hours [11:13] Lias Leandros: ok [11:13] Lias Leandros: I helped her get it set up this weekend [11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: understands, Ill just relay the info and frame it as best I can.......... [11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: Mediators.... [11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: can soemone post the link relaly quick? [11:14] Blondin Linden: http://jezebelesrealm.blogspot.com/2010/11/agenda-items-proposal-for-zindra-oh.html [11:14] Ginette Pinazzo: I also share Jeze's concern. Bickering, arguing, 'power-plays' and dysfunction cost the ZE members, cost these meetings attendance and damage Zindra community. I spoke with Jeze and I encouraged her to create a more specific proposal for a solution. ....... [11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: A related issue which Jeze often mentions, is that people like her cannot attend these meetings, so a process needs to created to allow for inclusion for those people (the majority of Zindra residents). We need to increase the 'talent pool' here. I hope we see specific proposals about Mediation and about More Inclusion from Residents soon. [11:15] Lias Leandros: Proposal: To establish a meeting scribe to professionally write the meeting agenda, followed by an addendum of updates as to who is commenting, suggesting, or proposing ideas. Transcripts are a poor method of saying "In agreement, agenda item, has been solved." To eliminate the abuse by having a posting etiquette guideline for the group. To moderate the meetings to stay on target. [11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: FIN (I know its not much) [11:15] Lias Leandros: thats the gist of it [11:15] Ginette Pinazzo: no lias...we are talking abt the Mediators topic [11:16] Lias Leandros: she seems to want a secretary role - and although that was agreedupon there is opposition so its not really being recognized [11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: I know Jeze has her 3 topics at the same link [11:16] Lias Leandros: Proposal: A group of advocates willing to help be the communication liaison for the individuals who have the schism. That are not currently spearheading any topic proposal or event for the Zindra expo. Giving more stewardship towards the group versus the back biting, and abuse. By virtue of also moderating the meetings and chat within the Expo group. [11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: can we stay on one topic ata tiem ploease: Mediators [11:17] Lias Leandros: I suggest these peopel would exist in the Mentor group that works with Zindra [11:17] Lias Leandros: once we get that arranged [11:17] Blondin Linden: well, one thing we do for Bay City is rotate the times of which we meeting. One week its 1pm the next its 4pm. Granted, I can get confused sometimes and forget the times. but thats one option [11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: I see going backwards is not any better at these metings [11:17] Counter Landfall: are we back on the path to make the ZE a community group again Ginette? [11:18] Lias Leandros: I dontthink Jezze wanted that [11:18] Counter Landfall: some of the things you mention should not even apply to an event group? [11:18] Lias Leandros: those were Jezze's ideas [11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin....do you have respoonse to the Mediators topic before we move on? Jezze is referring toi the dysfucntin within THESE meetinsg and the ripples that go ot from them [11:18] Lias Leandros: and I think they can be aprt of the mentoring group in Zindra [11:18] Counter Landfall: yes, but Ginette apply the iedas to the ZE group [11:19] Lias Leandros: Jezze is referring to a body to deal with that [11:19] Lias Leandros: ZE is a land management group [11:19] Counter Landfall: probably more correct Lias [11:19] Lias Leandros: Mental Mentors or Metors Gone Wild would be a good fit to take on such a role [11:19] Blondin Linden: Yeah GInette, its kinda hard to do that. SOme people arent going to recognize others as a moderate and if asked to leave, will sort of just ignore them [11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: seems even more apparent right NOW mediator(s) are needed..haha [11:20] Blondin Linden: So its difficult. [11:20] Lias Leandros: ask to leave? lol [11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Blondin.....its diffcult [11:20] Hypatia Darkstone: ze is a comunity group by default becaus it is a colection of comunity members so it functions as such [11:20] Ginette Pinazzo: but Id encourage anyone (inclsuing Jeze) to write up a specific proposal for a way it might be done...there might be soemthing clever [11:20] Lias Leandros: mediators dont kick people out, lol [11:20] Lias Leandros: yu are looking for a bouncer [11:20] Silvanus Northman waves at Hypatia [11:21] Lias Leandros: mediation would not happen here at the meeting [11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: there are peoepl who otn even come to these meetings because of the dysfunction...its toxic [11:21] Lias Leandros: it would be an agreed upon meeting at some other time [11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: Lias....a 'can-do' attitude would help [11:21] Arcadia Sweetwater: then the moderators should have a tag showing they are moderators and a notification of their powers would be in order [11:21] Blondin Linden: I think the best bet Ginette would be to find an additional time for this meeting and alternate it week to week [11:21] Lias Leandros: I have no idea whatthatmeans [11:22] Subdue Restaurant Greeter: Candymann Flux entered the defined area. 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[11:22] Lias Leandros: Blondin you want to change your meeting time each week?
[11:22] Lias Leandros: wut?
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: maybe
[11:22] Counter Landfall: the problem is that if you run the meetings very much later, Europe will miss them
[11:22] Blondin Linden: that way, we get more people involved who may not be able to, or want to attend this particual meeting
[11:22] Lias Leandros: if you change the set time then you confuse people
[11:23] BBQBill Odriscoll: There is no single good time. Alternating is a good option.
[11:23] Kaddan Yue: and right not most of US is at work
[11:23] Blondin Linden: well Counter, then Europeans would have THIS option
[11:23] BBQBill Odriscoll: Set them up for Eurpoe and AP loses
[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: conmfusion is an issue......teher si soemthing you should thjink about Blondin....if communication was better...peoepl woudlnt ZNEED to coem to meetings to know whats going on and get involved....jus saying
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ok, lets move on
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes it is difficutl
[11:23] Lias Leandros: if you have two meetings then you will be making decisions at one meeting and different decisions at the other
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes, and that will be more chaotic
[11:23] Dancer Greenfield: No time is perfect for everyone... people who want to be here but can't can at least send in their ideas in notecards
[11:23] Lias Leandros: I forsee issues with that happening
[11:24] Blondin Linden: no lias, its 1 meeting with two different times
[11:24] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed Dancer
[11:24] Lias Leandros: and two different audiences wth two different discussions
[11:24] BBQBill Odriscoll: I heard alternting times different weeks.
[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: that would be 'increasing the talent pool' in a way
[11:24] Blondin Linden: all the more reason to processes and documentation
[11:24] Blondin Linden: anywho, lets move on
[11:25] BBQBill Odriscoll: Correct Blondin
[11:25] BBQBill Odriscoll: And if you log the decisions and stick to agendas no one will see them again.
[11:25] Blondin Linden: Zindra Survey. Jezebel
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: ok...got it...
[11:25] Lias Leandros: Im not sure changing the time is the issue that Jezze was concerned about
[11:25] Counter Landfall: it was not
[11:25] Blondin Linden: it would give people who didnt want to come to this meeting another option
[11:25] Lias Leandros: Zindra Survey:
There is a lack of communication input from the variety of parcel and sim owners in Adult Mainland. These individuals are not represented at the OH Meetings. To provide a method of communication to those not plugged into the Expo group by personally greeting and delivering documentation about the goals of the group.
Proposal: To contact Zindra residents with information about the Zindra culture and begin networking processes to create interpersonal relationship in the form of networking by survey. To get an idea of what Zindrans want in the culture of Zindra. (In regards to events, current affairs, and mainland concerns). Giving the Zindra citizens a knowledge that the Zindra Expo group exists.
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: Jeze wantsa system where we can do surveys across continent......anotehr way for peoepl to get involcved......
[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: Jeze's idea is great and its one reason I keep talking about central communication (required to undertake these types of projects). I still believe that it's not a mentor issue at all, by the way, and I would continue to make the argument that a program like ZAP would be a simple first step towards this type of work.
[11:26] Silvanus Northman: it would be a step to show other ppl that they are welcome
[11:26] Lias Leandros: Counter has a meeting on Sunday at noon and there is one about the agenda on Saturdays at 11AM
[11:26] Lias Leandros: so there are options
[11:27] Blondin Linden: sounds ok. ANy ideas on HOW to set it up?
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: in order to get surveys out to peoepl, you need an officlka distribution system
[11:27] Lias Leandros: the Saturday meeting got us two more residents posting agenda items
[11:27] Lias Leandros: anyone can survey
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: we are taking about getting info out continent-wide.....not abt more meetings
[11:27] Lias Leandros: there is no 'official' distribution available except just a survey machine you can buy off the Marketplace
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: Id encourage that you rethink the ZAP concept Blondin, sans the mentor angle....
[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: its a way to get all of these things going....
[11:28] Lias Leandros: just set up a survey machine HERE and other ley points and get folks to use them
[11:28] Lias Leandros: the data goes t a website
[11:28] Counter Landfall: well there is a fundamental problem in reaching all the residents
[11:29] Lias Leandros: Jezze can do that if she chooses since its her concept
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: 'getting folks' is the issue.....only small percebnt will even use those machines...thats not comprehensive
[11:29] Counter Landfall: we dont have any easy way of mapping them
[11:29] Qie Niangao: somebody has to decide what questions to even ask on such surveys.
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: door-to-door ambassadors are comprehensive and human
[11:29] Lias Leandros: then they can use teh website once informed
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Qie...good point.....a survey would need to be created and approved
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[11:29] Lias Leandros: google gives a free survey site to anyone that wants to set it up
[11:29] Counter Landfall: I find that people typically dont want to use another website
[11:29] Counter Landfall: and it also breaks the immersion
[11:29] Blondin Linden: what kind of information are you looking for?
[11:30] Lias Leandros: lol no counter thats you, lol
[11:30] Lias Leandros: we use websites ten times a day
[11:30] Counter Landfall: yes it is me, but I have heard that a lot
[11:30] Counter Landfall: it is distracting
[11:30] Kaddan Yue: I agree with Counter
[11:30] BBQBill Odriscoll: I do too.
[11:30] Lias Leandros: Jezze would have to send over some survey questions for next week then
[11:31] Counter Landfall: sure, I'd like to see such a survey outline
[11:32] Blondin Linden: hm. Interesting. Im curious as to what kind of information she'd be after.
[11:32] Lias Leandros: Those of us , thousands of people in SL, use external websites to keep our scores, discuss our roles and update our status - so its not as taboo as some here feel it is.
[11:32] A2Z LABS Flight Helper Gadget 1.0: Ready to FLY!
[11:32] Lias Leandros: SL would nto be where it is without external websites
[11:32] Counter Landfall: they do Lias, the problem is if you move too much outisde SL proer, there is no need to log in here
[11:32] Qie Niangao: "events, current affairs, and mainland concerns" -- whatever those mean, in specifics.
[11:32] Blondin Linden: Id suggest Media on a prim but I know a lot fo you dont use viewer 2
[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: I am sure Jeze can speak to this....but I am sure she was talking geenrally....just gettinga survey system in place....to get peopel more involved
[11:32] Counter Landfall: so it is intself distructive
[11:32] Silvanus Northman: back, wow that was a crash, sorry
[11:33] Blondin Linden: Ginette. I like the idea
[11:33] Arcadia Sweetwater: wb silver
[11:33] Lias Leandros: I belive she wanted to survey people to find out hat they want to get involved in
[11:33] Blondin Linden: details need to be worked out but I think its a positive step
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[11:34] Counter Landfall: so is it a survey for her business ideas?
[11:34] Counter Landfall: I guess there must be pelnty of general knowledge on the topic?
[11:34] Lias Leandros: we wont know until she send over her survey questions
[11:34] Blondin Linden: ok. Lets move on
[11:34] Blondin Linden: :)
[11:34] Counter Landfall: ... I cant type today
[11:34] Blondin Linden: Well discuss more next week
[11:34] Blondin Linden: Meetings & Transcripts
[11:35] Blondin Linden: another Jezebel
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: hello..I think this is more about a survey system at this point than specific questions......we shoudl concentrate on how best to get that system going....before we talk questions
[11:35] Blondin Linden: :)
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: ok this is an easy one from Jez...an old topic
[11:35] Lias Leandros: wellwe need specific questions for a survey to see if its worththe effort or not
[11:35] BBQBill Odriscoll: Its a capability Lias
[11:35] Counter Landfall: agreed Lias
[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: This is really a revisit of the topic of meeting minutes/.recaps etc and I share the frustration of Jeze and others. Long transcripts are not what most people have time for, and they are not a replacement for a simple recap. Last we left off, there was no official recap process except putting the recap on the agenda wiki, but that backfired. Resident-run groups, like ZA, were told they could pass recaps along in their groups, and thats great (if they are accurate), but the OH itself doesnt have an official recap procedure. Not yet.
[11:35] Lias Leandros: I stillpst the transcripts and the answers for each question addressed from each week's meetings
[11:36] Lias Leandros: I send out THE WRAP on a notecard to Zindra Alliance each week
[11:36] colleen Criss: if you want official it has to go to Blondins Wiki huh
[11:36] Lias Leandros: its a short, comprehensive look at the agenda and teh answers
[11:36] Lias Leandros: hey colleen:-)
[11:36] Counter Landfall: I think the transcipts really help to clarify some issues at times - not always
[11:36] Lias Leandros: the wiki needs a second page then
[11:36] Dancer Greenfield: I think we can do both... a result protocol as the short version, and a full chat log for those who have the time to delve
[11:37] Counter Landfall: agreed Dancer
[11:37] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed
[11:37] Lias Leandros: I read teh entire transcript and pull out the answers from blondin
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: wahtever we do, if its not coming from LL, Blondin, or an LL group, its not 'official'....simpel enough concept
[11:37] Lias Leandros: it des not have to be 'officia' Ginette
[11:37] Qie Niangao: honestly, ideally, Blondin himself would maintain a public record of decisions made, action items taken, topics completed.
[11:37] Lias Leandros: we arent employees
[11:37] Counter Landfall: why are you so hung up on official Ginette?
[11:38] Counter Landfall: :-)
[11:38] colleen Criss: official is YOUR word Ginette no one else uses it
[11:38] Zada Bury: the "wrap" was a useful thing
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: we all witnessed edits and even made-up material or destrcutive commentary in 'minutes' sent out in resident run groups.....thats not a replacement for anythng offcial
[11:38] Lias Leandros: pasting the exact chat from Blondin that is in the transcript seems fair
[11:38] Silvanus Northman: official means that it passes instances
[11:38] Lias Leandros: this way no words are changed
[11:38] Dancer Greenfield: I agree that the result protocol should come from a Linden (sorry Blondin) rather than one of us
[11:38] Kaddan Yue: because that is what matters it coming official
[11:38] Forceme Silverspar: When we want stuff from LL like their sims and stuff, there has to be some sort of official doesn't there?
[11:39] colleen Criss: I agree Ive had mine *edited* its wrong to do so
[11:39] Blondin Linden: Unfortuantely, I dont have the time to do that to the effect that most people want. I can try and jot down the action items on the wiki each week but I dont have the bandwidth to make full on reports available
[11:39] Lias Leandros: No Linden is going to sit down each week and go thru transcripst and find chat responses to specific questions
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: All we need is Agenda Item/Decision
[11:39] Lias Leandros: ts very easy to check back at the log from the trimestamp of teh wuote to make sure its correct
[11:39] Counter Landfall: why don't we appoint a secretary who publish the minutes and trnscrips
[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: action items / bullet points ar eprobably what everyone would need most anyway
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: Followed by the transcript
[11:40] Counter Landfall: and if there are errors, they get corrected at the next meeting
[11:40] Lias Leandros: we did that October 8th Counter
[11:40] Counter Landfall: pretty standard meeting procedure
[11:40] Counter Landfall: this is not government yet, or? ;-)
[11:40] BBQBill Odriscoll: First Yes. First item on the next agenda.
[11:40] Blondin Linden: ok. I'll try and do it this week. Take a look after we;re done here , on the wiki and let me know.
[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: ok Blondin....hopefully it wont be backwarsd
[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: it is standard.....and we propsoed that but the wiki is the only solutin we recived...
[11:40] Dancer Greenfield: Good idea, Counter... one person writes a result protocol, and next week we can come back to it if anyone thinks it's been written wrong, based on the fill chat log
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[11:41] Dancer Greenfield: fill=full
[11:41] Zada Bury: really a secretary we haven't choose ... Ginette was starting to organise things well at the begin, where nobody wanted to use the Wiki.
[11:41] Lias Leandros: on the October 8th Blondin and Counter dcided to have a Seretary posiytion in the ZA group and people could join that role and take turns doing exactly what Jezze just proposed this week
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: nio lias...thats ZA.....you were told you could pass recaps, but not the official secretary of ZE or LL
[11:42] Lias Leandros: its in the transcripts
[11:42] Counter Landfall: well it does not have to be someone in ZA, but I am happy to host that role of people want
[11:42] Lias Leandros: yes thats it Ginette
[11:42] Lias Leandros: All transcripts are posted
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: you read what you wanted to read, as suual...read it all
[11:42] Blondin Linden: and Lias, thats great for that group but what about htose who arent in it?
[11:42] Blondin Linden: anyway
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[11:42] Blondin Linden: lets keep things moving
[11:42] Blondin Linden: Flickr Group Content Standards
[11:42] Forceme Silverspar: Bingo Blondin.
[11:42] Blondin Linden: I already mentioned this at the top of the hour
[11:42] Lias Leandros: Its an open enrollement group Blondin
[11:43] Forceme Silverspar: Means nothing.
[11:43] Lias Leandros: if someone wanted to be the secretary for the month then they would join for a month and do that
[11:43] Forceme Silverspar: Next item?
[11:43] Blondin Linden: I agree that some standards neeed to be put in place. Ill take a crack at this this week and come back with a draft
[11:43] Counter Landfall: all righty
[11:43] Ginette Pinazzo: Content Standards? fabulous
[11:43] BBQBill Odriscoll: Sounds good
[11:43] Lias Leandros: when one volunteers one needs to follow some protocol to follow the task description they volunteer for
[11:43] Qie Niangao: excellent
[11:43] Blondin Linden: Zindra unZipped EXPO proposal
[11:43] Blondin Linden: Next item is the Zindra Unziped
[11:44] Blondin Linden: this from the Zindra Alliance?
[11:44] colleen Criss: Im really interested in Aprille Shepherd , I know I was late did that get coverage yet?
[11:44] Counter Landfall: no progress on content, just a reservation for the sim
[11:44] Counter Landfall: yes it is
[11:44] Blondin Linden: I'm going to ask that you do up a proposal
[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: if counter follows the actual Island Events proposal procedure, like anyone,
[11:44] Lias Leandros: please
[11:44] Lias Leandros: Ginette you didnt follow trhatstandard with your art maze
[11:44] colleen Criss: who created the events proposal procedure please?
[11:45] Ginette Pinazzo: Counter the guideliens or on the Island actually if you need them....or a NC I can pass
[11:45] Blondin Linden: it was discussed here
[11:45] Lias Leandros: thats nonsense
[11:45] Blondin Linden: and I took it back internally and we discussed
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and no one is agreeing that anyone on their production team has to be in SL for a year or they cant be on th eteam
[11:45] Lias Leandros: discusses is not agreed upon Blondin
[11:45] Counter Landfall: hand it to me and I will do the procedure, but not this week
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and its no where but on her private site
[11:45] Lias Leandros: no one can see that
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and some of it is nonsense
[11:45] colleen Criss: so Blondin you want us all to follow Gunettere procedure ? but she didnt?
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and even she didnt follow it
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: nonsense? a lot of it was written by Blondin.....pay attention
[11:46] colleen Criss: ginette's * sorry
[11:46] Lias Leandros: its NONSENSE
[11:46] Forceme Silverspar: Yes she did.
[11:46] Lias Leandros: she had no timeline in place
[11:46] Counter Landfall: even Lindens may produce nonsense, hehe
[11:46] Lias Leandros: and was approved anyway
[11:46] Blondin Linden: I did have a say in how this was drafted
[11:46] colleen Criss: no she didnt she had no set time frame in her proposal till last weekk
[11:46] Blondin Linden: If you would like to use those regions, just take a look at this: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zexpo-island-seasonal-events-campaign
[11:46] Lias Leandros: I dont think you paid attention to that 'have to be in SL for a year' nonsens Blondin
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: and you know what? if you are going to continually try to smear and undermine every little thing, including an event we are woreking hard on......I dotn see the point in taking you seriosuly anymore.......I am here for positive reasons, like most poepel.......
[11:47] BBQBill Odriscoll: This isn't rocket science. If mistakes are made we will do better next time
[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin WROTE that lias...the one year criteria
[11:47] Lias Leandros: even mentors are only 6 months
[11:47] Blondin Linden: But - April is so far ahead of the game, the ZA wont have a problem reserving it
[11:47] Lias Leandros: nooo
[11:47] Counter Landfall: I just live this. I get a Adult Content Warning from google opening that linke :-))))
[11:47] Aprille Shepherd: ^^
[11:47] Lias Leandros: My secretary does not need tobe here for a year to send out notecards for me
[11:47] Forceme Silverspar: And if it is Blondin's sims, then Blondin has the right to set out what he wants in terms of paper work. Quit arguing and fighting with him, do the procedure that mostly he has written.
[11:47] Qie Niangao: Fine, whatever. Let's get somebody to fill in the form, before it turns into an ERP application. Is there any reason that the proposal wouldn't be accepted?
[11:47] Lias Leandros: its not Blondin's sims
[11:48] Forceme Silverspar: Whose are they then?
[11:48] Counter Landfall: ok, lets move to the enxt topic
[11:48] Kaddan Yue: he works for LL
[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Qie...there are many reasons.....if the criteria are not met, obviously
[11:48] Lias Leandros: Linden Lab
[11:48] Kaddan Yue: so let's keep it moving
[11:48] Blondin Linden: Its not a form to fill out. THe point of it is to get those who are proposing an event to think about the details. Thats all.
[11:48] Lias Leandros: and I work for NYC - DO I own Central Park?
[11:48] colleen Criss: did you write this proposal Blondin? the proceedure?
[11:48] Forceme Silverspar: They are four LL sims. Blondin is their rep here.
[11:48] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed Counter. Move on.
[11:48] Blondin Linden: yes Colleen, I had a hand in it
[11:49] Blondin Linden: Moving on
[11:49] BBQBill Odriscoll: Ginette wrote a proposal with Blondin's help. It may not have been perfect.
[11:49] Blondin Linden: Permanent bridge in the Distrel sim
[11:49] BBQBill Odriscoll: Move on
[11:49] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:49] Ginette Pinazzo: tell us about the bridge!
[11:49] Counter Landfall: that would help
[11:49] colleen Criss: but its on Ginettes site and not your wiki?
[11:49] Lias Leandros: and it was certainly NOT accepted as the procedure
[11:49] Blondin Linden: how so Counter?
[11:49] Lias Leandros: it was just removed from the agenda and never adressed again
[11:49] Counter Landfall: the idea is that it will connect the sims and not every exhibitor have to make a bridge
[11:50] Blondin Linden: fair enough.
[11:50] BBQBill Odriscoll: I like it
[11:50] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin.....is it even relevant...soem events may not need the bridge?
[11:50] Pagan Sunburn: hello Mr. Linden
[11:50] Blondin Linden: Ill ask Micheal to see if he has soething in stock or if a Mole can do it
[11:50] Counter Landfall: great
[11:50] Dancer Greenfield: A bridge is good, whether it's being used or not
[11:51] Qie Niangao: (note that it will use prims that then won't be available for event content... not that I think that would ever be an issue, in practice)
[11:51] BBQBill Odriscoll: I don't see any harm in it.
[11:51] Lias Leandros: will we fall thru on sim crossing?>
[11:51] Blondin Linden: Ginette, if it becomes a problem, then I can always take the bridge temporarily and then put it back
[11:51] Ginette Pinazzo: makes sense
[11:51] Dancer Greenfield: It doesn't have to be a beautifully crafted 500 prim bridge :)
[11:51] Hypatia Darkstone: the moles like high prim i noticed
[11:51] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed Dancer
[11:51] Forceme Silverspar grins, Aww shame ㋡
[11:51] Counter Landfall: but now we soon have mesh
[11:52] BBQBill Odriscoll: Heh heh...
[11:52] Lias Leandros: Moles have Gove Linden Land prims to use
[11:52] Zada Bury: to bad, Big-prims are a no-no
[11:52] Blondin Linden: next item, moving from the bottom up still - The ZA's SNowman building contest
[11:52] Blondin Linden: was there an update from last week guys?
[11:52] Pagan Sunburn: no mopre megas?
[11:52] Ginette Pinazzo: I have a few thinsg to say abt it..haha
[11:52] Counter Landfall: there was an update sent to ZA
[11:52] Pagan Sunburn: *more
[11:52] Lias Leandros: we met Sunday and planned some stuff
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we have issued a ticket in the support system about the sim texture and ice on the water
[11:53] Counter Landfall: and I need to have a discussion with you about practicalities around rezzing
[11:53] Hypatia Darkstone: actuly arnt we gettin megs wit mesh when it finaly arives
[11:53] Forceme Silverspar: Is there a procedure to the Zindra sim to be dished out or is it grab it if ya got an idea?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we also drafted some rules, but not there yet
[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo: seesm ZA is palnning a month-long event on Zindra sim? did I get that right?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: yes Ginette
[11:54] Counter Landfall: so more detials next week
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: forgive mne quoting but.......
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: [11:51] Blondin Linden: so Counter, here is an idea. Have the snowman building contest and ask people to build on their land. Then, when you are ready to judge, we'll make it so we can place them all out on ZIndra
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: thats not a month-long event
[11:54] Counter Landfall: wahtever Ginette
[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:54] Counter Landfall: we want it to be a month
[11:54] Lias Leandros: a buld contest takes place on the build contest area - as usual
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: we dont have a Zindra sim events process yet......this is not appropriate...the way its being done
[11:55] Qie Niangao: oh, oh! important to ask: is LL planning an annual "Winter Faire" again as usual? And if so, can we link the snowman thing to it, as a kind of "fringe festival" ?
[11:55] Silvanus Northman: btw counter, why does your event-pic show a kid infront of a gay snowman - isnt childplay forbidden?
[11:55] Lias Leandros: we dont need your process Ginette - just going to build snowmwen and delete them in January
[11:55] Counter Landfall: it is not the event pic
[11:55] Lias Leandros: Sil you're realy desperate now
[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin...this system is being abused and I dotn see why anyone would take it seriosuly.....
[11:55] Counter Landfall: it was to create ideas
[11:55] colleen Criss: abused
[11:55] Silvanus Northman: ok so seems to be an uups
[11:56] colleen Criss: it was Blondin who told him to use zondra sim
[11:56] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin? No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:56] Silvanus Northman: could be missunderstood...
[11:56] Counter Landfall: and gay is not adult where I live
[11:56] Blondin Linden: We are in fact planning a winterfest. More details in the December's Sandbox newsletter
[11:56] colleen Criss: Zindra*
[11:56] Counter Landfall: gays can marry on equal terms with everyone else
[11:56] Lias Leandros: Ginette why are trying so hard to block a snowman build contest on an island that you arent even using when you have been given 4 sims for free to use and you didnt follow any protocol to get them?
[11:56] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin, did ya see my question please?
[11:56] Ginette Pinazzo: Bl0ondin said you coudol rez snowmen for judging....thats not a month lojg 'Snowman Unzipped'....you are taking advatage of a public space
[11:56] Silvanus Northman: thats good wish it would be here same too Counter, just the boy was surprising me
[11:57] colleen Criss: why do you care?
[11:57] Counter Landfall: Ginette stop wordsmithing Blondin.
[11:57] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin... not sure if the schedule overlaps... but would be really good to have *something* Zinda-related connected to Winterfest
[11:57] colleen Criss: its on zindra not your sims
[11:57] colleen Criss: lol
[11:57] Counter Landfall: we will make a proper proposal for him, ok?
[11:57] Forceme Silverspar: lol it's not yours either. lol lol lol
[11:57] BBQBill Odriscoll: We are learning how to do this.
[11:57] BBQBill Odriscoll: Procedure is new
[11:57] Counter Landfall: and we will not allow depiction of children in the venue
[11:57] Lias Leandros: Gientte sent out a 'proposal' to Counter to get him to allow her to be involvbed on a management level forthis event and when he turned her down she now sits here trying to degrade the event
[11:58] Blondin Linden: Well, how about next week we hear more from the ZA about what they want to do and decide from there
[11:58] BBQBill Odriscoll: Let's cut some slack. Conuter said he will do a proposal
[11:58] Counter Landfall: not turned her down
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: thats not5 true Liass....never lie in public liek that or misrepresent
[11:58] BBQBill Odriscoll: That works for me.
[11:58] Lias Leandros: I have that on a website if you want to chek it out
[11:58] Counter Landfall: we dont have to do it here
[11:58] Blondin Linden: and I wanted to mention the Wiki and the stuff about Adult content
[11:58] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin, shall I post my question a fourth time? No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:58] Counter Landfall: she can participate in the planning meetings
[11:58] Kaddan Yue: why is this getting personal, have we finished the agenda stuff
[11:58] Blondin Linden: we only have a minutes left
[11:58] Ginette Pinazzo: I have no interest in degarding....I in fact have a positive solution....but Ive been spit in the face when I mewntione dit
[11:58] Counter Landfall: it is just liek we XA will not get involved in her femdom events
[11:59] Blondin Linden: I've tried to update all the wiki pages the best I could. If you have the time, take a look through the pages and let me know if something is outdated. I ahve the ability to correct it
[11:59] Counter Landfall: accepts that this is a ZA led event open for everyone?
[11:59] Zada Bury: oh ... before you hide that fast out: "See you next week and thank you, Blondin"
[11:59] Lias Leandros: a snowman build does not need a positive solution
[11:59] Lias Leandros: its all set
[11:59] Blondin Linden: ok all
[11:59] Blondin Linden: I do have to go
[11:59] Ginette Pinazzo: thankjs Blondin
[11:59] Silvanus Northman: we'll do , I will look
[11:59] Blondin Linden: tyl
[11:59] Silvanus Northman: ty Blondin
[11:59] Zada Bury: *purrs*
[11:59] Silvanus Northman: tc : )
[11:59] Pagan Sunburn: Mr. Linden, can I please talk to you in IM?
[11:59] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin
[11:59] Kira Welty: Take care Blondin
[11:59] Redlag Mayo: bye
[11:59] Counter Landfall: cheers
[11:59] BBQBill Odriscoll: Take care Blondin
[12:00] Dancer Greenfield: Bye Blondin, thanks for your time
[12:00] Silvanus Northman: Hi Pagan
[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo: sorry yoru question never got answered Force...but I think we know the answer
[12:00] Forceme Silverspar: What it is?
[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao....enjoy the chaos...backwars meetings! whew!
[12:00] Forceme Silverspar: I am easy either way, I just like to know what the rule is.
[12:00] colleen Criss: Blondin went backwards?
[12:01] colleen Criss: well gee it is his OH guess he can
[12:01] Lias Leandros: yes
[12:01] Lias Leandros: we cant discuss your 4 agenda utems each week Gientte
[12:01] Dancer Greenfield: I'm sure Blondin had a reason for Blondin going through the agenda backwards
[12:01] BBQBill Odriscoll: Forceme, let's assume paperwork is needed. Counter already said he will do it.
[12:01] Lias Leandros: enough of the Ginette government design meeting
[12:01] Ginette Pinazzo: sdrawkcab tnew nidnolB
[12:01] BBQBill Odriscoll: Let's do it right.
[12:01] Forceme Silverspar: Arh good, I am excited about the snowman project.
[12:01] Hypatia Darkstone: going back ward ,wonder what th hiden messages is :))
[12:01] Counter Landfall: will do paperwork for the unzipped Expo, not for the snowman
[12:01] Lias Leandros: BBQBill there is no 'right' its just getting Blondfin to agree and thats it
[12:02] Counter Landfall: that is a done deal
[12:02] Counter Landfall: accept it
[12:02] Forceme Silverspar: Oh... no paper for snowman?
[12:02] Lias Leandros: there is no procedure and there does nothave to be one for a snowman build contest
[12:02] Lias Leandros: red tape and nonsense
[12:02] Counter Landfall: no Forceme
[12:02] Ginette Pinazzo: BBQ....a long tiemj ago, it was decided by Blondin wed have a process for getting evetns at that Sim......maybe......but we never did it yet.....I can explain it to you later...soem have forgotten it seems
[12:02] Forceme Silverspar: What if Blondin insists?
[12:02] Counter Landfall: he wont
[12:02] Forceme Silverspar: WHat if you don't get it without it?
[12:02] Counter Landfall: he does not have time for bullshit
[12:03] Forceme Silverspar: Arh OK.
[12:03] colleen Criss: he was told already to do it last week
[12:03] colleen Criss: end of story
[12:03] Lias Leandros: Ginette didnt follwo that process
[12:03] Lias Leandros: so its moot
[12:03] BBQBill Odriscoll: If we are to be a community we have to have some organization and standards, otherwise we are just weilding influence
[12:03] Ginette Pinazzo: lie again lias ...why dotn you?
[12:03] colleen Criss: good point BBQ
[12:03] Lias Leandros: anyone can propose anything BBQ
[12:03] Lias Leandros: thats fair
[12:03] Forceme Silverspar: She did but I ain't wasting my brath arguing with you Lias.
[12:03] Ginette Pinazzo: yes BBQ......organisation is what will save us
[12:03] Forceme Silverspar: Brath!!? What's that!
[12:03] BBQBill Odriscoll: Rules need to be set and followed, even if Blondin dometimes overlooks them,
[12:03] Lias Leandros: last week she decuded t choose a date for her event
[12:04] Qie Niangao: look, if the 4-sims long-duration events need heavy process, fine... but we gotta have somewhere with quick turn-around. When did LL suddenly become frikkin' IBM?
[12:04] Ginette Pinazzo: ugh...I am off....enjoy the show
[12:04] Lias Leandros: her 'guidelines' state you have to have that in place before approval
[12:04] Lias Leandros: and she was approved with out that
[12:04] Counter Landfall: the procedure is for the 4 sims
[12:04] Forceme Silverspar: Ok, I will leave you all to ya words... bye bye! Have a good week everyone and take care of each other.
[12:04] Lias Leandros: so she did not follow the guidelines
[12:04] colleen Criss: but Guna doesnt get to be the head of all organized events on this contintent
[12:04] Counter Landfall: we made a deal with Blondin over the Zindra sim
[12:04] Counter Landfall: accept it
[12:04] Lias Leandros: exactly
[12:04] Ginette Pinazzo: way to be helpful coleen...really...ciao
[12:04] colleen Criss: Im very helpful
[12:05] Lias Leandros: and the person that got granted 4 sims with no ptotocol wants to block a one sim snowman build
[12:05] BBQBill Odriscoll: So let it go. We don't need a rubber stamp, we need to agree as a community.
[12:05] BBQBill Odriscoll: Arguments are a waste of time
[12:05] Lias Leandros: Fillibustering in November to block a snowman build contest is just wrong
[12:05] colleen Criss: tons ofava tars n this contenient with great ideas and they dont need Ginette to bring them to fruition
[12:05] BBQBill Odriscoll: Gina, do you want to block the snowman build?
[12:06] Counter Landfall: particularly because it does not block the use of the 4 sims
[12:06] BBQBill Odriscoll: The snowman build sounds like a good thing.
[12:06] colleen Criss: it sure is
[12:06] colleen Criss: and will be fun
[12:06] Lias Leandros: blobking it is just a power play
[12:06] BBQBill Odriscoll: The arguments are about organization and procedure
[12:06] Lias Leandros: no they are not
[12:06] Lias Leandros: because they are hypocritical
[12:06] BBQBill Odriscoll: Whatthen?
[12:07] Lias Leandros: power play
[12:07] BBQBill Odriscoll: Look, if we agree on a procedure and floow it,
[12:07] Counter Landfall: Ginette wants ZE to be THE community group
[12:07] colleen Criss: Blondin ok'd it already its now up to Counter and his staff to bring it to life
[12:07] BBQBill Odriscoll: There is no power play, just process.
[12:07] Lias Leandros: its too late in the season to throw up some phony 'procedure'
[12:07] Zada Bury: *pokes Arcadia and Pagan* back to business, you two
[12:07] Lias Leandros: its a snowman build
[12:07] Counter Landfall: anything she can do to throw a spanner itnot other such grousp, she will do
[12:07] Lias Leandros: on the sim of Zindra
[12:07] BBQBill Odriscoll: So, does a proposal hurt anything? It communicates what you are doing.
[12:07] You decline Manhattan City New York, Harlem from A group member named KittyKatt Carlucci.
[12:08] Lias Leandros: its already approved
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: Write the proposal and be done.
[12:08] Lias Leandros: next time BBQ
[12:08] Counter Landfall: it is approved
[12:08] Lias Leandros: we promise
[12:08] colleen Criss: process was this Counter asked Blondin said yes end of story
[12:08] Counter Landfall: it is very simple
[12:08] Arcadia Sweetwater blows kisses and disapears in a puff of catnip
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: So, it communicates what you are doing to the community
[12:08] Silvanus Northman: bye arcadia : )
[12:08] Counter Landfall: you dont need a project paln ten pages for this
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: Take care
[12:08] Qie Niangao: You know, what these meetings really need is more attention to procedure. Why, I bet a true parliamentarian could prevent absolutely *anything* from getting done.
[12:08] Zada Bury: *waves around* see you all next week... or sunday ... or so.
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: No. Agreed
[12:08] Counter Landfall: we need some practical arrangements and a few good people to make it happen
[12:08] Qie Niangao: have fun folks.
[12:08] Lias Leandros: He will answer any questions here and on Sunday about this ultra complex snowman build
[12:08] colleen Criss: this is OH NOT government
[12:08] BBQBill Odriscoll: Take care
[12:09] BBQBill Odriscoll: This is not even close to parlimentary procedure.
[12:09] Counter Landfall: it is not
[12:09] Counter Landfall: even though some peole seem to think it is
[12:09] Counter Landfall: very true
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