[10:51] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Toran Babenco (1m)[10:54] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Ginette Pinazzo (13m)[10:55] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Zada Bury (7m)[10:55] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Counter Landfall (19m)
[10:55] Zada Bury: greetings around
[10:55] Counter Landfall: Hi everyone
[10:55] Zada Bury: *~~silencepurr~~*
[10:55] colleen Criss: hello Counter, Zada, Ginette
[10:55] Ginette Pinazzo: oh, Hi Zada
[10:55] Zada Bury: not blue today you two?
[10:56] Counter Landfall: blue?
[10:56] Zada Bury: Toran and Colleen ^.^
[10:56] Zada Bury: last week was navi-time
[10:56] colleen Criss: Toran is brb to RL
[10:56] colleen Criss: oooo
[10:56] colleen Criss: lol
[10:56] colleen Criss: those were cool huh
[10:56] Zada Bury: I know them
[10:57] Zada Bury: but they are pretty expensive
[10:57] Zada Bury: one shop wanted 2k
[10:57] colleen Criss: we had fun with that
[10:57] colleen Criss: yes
[10:57] Zada Bury: at least as the movie was on
[10:59] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Kaddan Yue (13m)
[11:00] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Marideath Morpork (13m)
[11:00] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Forceme Silverspar (12m)
[11:00] Zada Bury: heya Forceme ^_^
[11:00] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Kaddan....Hi Force
[11:00] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: NikoKito Aries (7m)
[11:01] Forceme Silverspar: Hiya Zada, Ginette, everyone.
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Kaddan and Forceme
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Silvanus Northman (19m)
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Brenton Xaris (12m)
[11:01] Silvanus Northman: hi all,
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Qie Niangao (7m)
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Silvanus
[11:01] Zada Bury: oh, there over ... heya all the "newcome-inn-ers"
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hey all
[11:01] Marideath Morpork: hello
[11:01] Zada Bury: I see blondin
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Forceme Silverspar: Hiya Blondin.
[11:01] Zada Bury: heya Blondin, welcome today
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Mari!
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hate to do this but I can only stay for 30 minutes today
[11:01] NikoKito Aries: hola
[11:01] NikoKito Aries: (es->en) hello
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Dora Gustafson (13m)
[11:01] Blondin Linden: Im sorry
[11:01] Blondin Linden: :(
[11:01] Marideath Morpork: Hello Gina
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: Hi Dora : )
[11:02] colleen Criss: hello everyone :)
[11:02] Counter Landfall: np
[11:02] Blondin Linden: so with that inmind, we should dive into the agenda
[11:02] Zada Bury: well ... next week then 90 minutes ^.^
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: ok lets dive!
[11:02] Zada Bury: yes, hurry
[11:02] Blondin Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Blondin_Linden's_Zindra_Office_Hour_Agenda
[11:02] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Tia Renfort (13m)
[11:02] Forceme Silverspar: Run!
[11:02] Blondin Linden: First up was by :ias
[11:02] Blondin Linden: Lias
[11:02] colleen Criss: Ill rep for her if that is ok
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: hi tia : )
[11:02] Blondin Linden: is she here?
[11:02] Tia Renfort: hello everyone
[11:02] colleen Criss: she had rl to tend
[11:03] Blondin Linden: understandable
[11:03] Tia Renfort: hello Sil
[11:03] Blondin Linden: Sure Colleen, do u want to tell us about the BEd Faire?
[11:03] Blondin Linden: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: oo lol you beat me
[11:03] colleen Criss: she is waiting approval
[11:03] colleen Criss: from you
[11:04] colleen Criss: time was chosen before Ginette decioded upon her time last week
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: has the proposal bene done with the criteria of the Island Events procedure?>
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: because as of last week,m lias claimed that process was nonsense
[11:04] colleen Criss: open the link
[11:04] colleen Criss: you can see
[11:05] colleen Criss: keep your stones Gina , she has her proposal up
[11:05] colleen Criss: open the link
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: do not talk abt stones, colleen...remain professional
[11:05] colleen Criss: lol
[11:05] Blondin Linden: So, of course, I'd love to see even more detail but I like where your going . Right off the bat though - I'm gunna ask that you consider pushing the dates back by 2 weeks.
[11:05] Blondin Linden: To give time for GInette and the Art Maze to conclude
[11:05] colleen Criss: well we can negoicate times
[11:05] colleen Criss: Counter has April and summer is not a good time for large scale events in SL so it will have to have a October Set up time and a november event date
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin..events shoudl hjave abt 3 months average for proper buildup....thats the point of it being a big event, whatever it is
[11:06] colleen Criss: in order to get vendors build set up etc
[11:06] colleen Criss: Gina let Blondin run his mtg
[11:07] Blondin Linden: I do think that you'll need a bit more time in planning this all out which is why details are always a good thing.
[11:07] colleen Criss: are those times acceptable for you Blondin?
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: and coubntyerd oesnt 'have' arpil.......he has not doen his actual proposal yet
[11:07] colleen Criss: shoot for novemeber then?
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: *counmter
[11:07] colleen Criss: Gina,
[11:08] colleen Criss: dont speak for oter ppl
[11:08] colleen Criss: wait your turn
[11:08] Blondin Linden: next novemebr?
[11:08] Qie Niangao: confused: I'm seeing a February date on the proposal... ??
[11:08] colleen Criss: yes Blondin :)
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: I am speaking for the procvess that was agreed upon.....proposal first, then approval....simple order
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[11:08] colleen Criss: Lias is willing to take her turn
[11:08] colleen Criss: NOT all agreed Gina
[11:08] colleen Criss: do your own thing
[11:08] colleen Criss: Im speaking with Blondin
[11:09] Blondin Linden: Counter - the Zexpo you want to plan for April - how much build up time / prep will you need?[11:09] Counter Landfall: since the vent is only for a werek, max 3 weeks before is good
[11:09] Counter Landfall: wek*
[11:09] colleen Criss: Qie, that was Lias original date but it was taken by Gina
[11:09] Counter Landfall: week* - I think my keyboard is stuck, haha
[11:10] Youri Ashton: hello all!
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: colleen...stop lyinmbg in public..your facsta re wronmg[11:10] Youri Ashton: hey blondin :)
[11:10] colleen Criss: Gina
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: colleen
[11:10] colleen Criss: youre going to mute any second now
[11:10] colleen Criss: I never lie
[11:10] colleen Criss: tend your biz
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: well youve bene misled by lias, sorry.......
[11:10] colleen Criss: stop harrassing me :)
[11:10] Qie Niangao: oh, thanks colleen... but I thought it just had to push 2 weeks to make room... then after the Bed thing, Counter's thing
[11:10] colleen Criss: NOT your biz again Gina
[11:11] Blondin Linden: ok Colleen, keep work with Lias on it. SOme things I'd still like to see: - include details about Prim needs, land Management, Membership, Group roles and abilities
[11:11] Blondin Linden: and Include a land-use plan (as best as possible at an early stage). This could be a basic diagram and/or well-written explanation.
[11:11] colleen Criss: yes Blondin will do :) ty
[11:11] Youri Ashton: calm down already, no need for a cat fight ^_^
[11:11] colleen Criss: never cat fight :) Im a lady
[11:11] Blondin Linden: also take a look at your timeline and adjust as needed.
[11:11] Blondin Linden: ok
[11:11] Blondin Linden: moving on
[11:11] colleen Criss: yes we will ty :)
[11:11] Blondin Linden: next
[11:12] Blondin Linden: Age Verification Kiosks
[11:12] Blondin Linden: THis was a COlleen item
[11:12] colleen Criss: Ive updated those again
[11:12] Blondin Linden: I'll admit, this one is my bad
[11:12] Blondin Linden: oh you have/[
11:12] Blondin Linden: great
[11:12] colleen Criss: yes
[11:12] colleen Criss: V2 will drop a folder
[11:12] colleen Criss: v1 opens the web
[11:12] Youri Ashton: age vervication kiosks?
[11:13] Youri Ashton: lol, i been away too long i see :p\
[11:13] Blondin Linden: information on how to verify
[11:13] Forceme Silverspar: I am confused. Are there two kiosks going about?
[11:13] colleen Criss: Ill pass you one Blondin
[11:13] Youri Ashton: i understood that blondin
[11:13] Items successfully shared.
[11:13] Blondin Linden: So a while back - there was a team working on getting verification into the viewer
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[11:13] Items successfully shared.
[11:13] Youri Ashton: ah ok
[11:13] Blondin Linden: but things happened :) and other issues took priority
[11:14] Blondin Linden: apparently, it's a big deal that'll need both server and viewer work
[11:14] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Skygirl Kline (19m)
[11:14] colleen Criss: I have a list on the site of potential HUBS
[11:14] colleen Criss: since it is a PG kiosk
[11:14] Blondin Linden: so I've been sending emails and setting up meetings trying to figure how we (LL) could get this done.
[11:14] Silvanus Northman: well colleen, no Adult adverts on PG I hope
[11:14] Youri Ashton: it should indeed work both on server as viewer, else its useless :p
[11:14] Blondin Linden: I'm trying to push the issue b/c I know its imporant
[11:14] colleen Criss: no but it could go to G
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin, this one that coleen has done does the same job but less than the Flickr Slideshow kiosk.
[11:15] Blondin Linden: so no promises
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Is that right?
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Seems to me two products are being developed to do the same job, I am confused?
[11:15] colleen Criss: mine can be set down anywhere
[11:16] colleen Criss: 1 script
[11:16] colleen Criss: 4 prims
[11:16] colleen Criss: no visuals
[11:16] Counter Landfall: untextured?
[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: actually, if its poitning to that wiki page, the slideshow kisok always had that as one iof its 3 'inrofmnation balls'[11:16] Forceme Silverspar: Can we not have one big ZINDRA product? Wouldn't that work better?
[11:16] Forceme Silverspar: Than two that might confuse the new folks?
[11:16] Blondin Linden: not quite. This one gives info on how to verify and while the FLickr one does as well, its more of a....picture show to raise awareness
[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: hey if theres room at infohubs for both, why not?
[11:17] Forceme Silverspar: The coleen one is slimline version, then.
[11:17] Qie Niangao: (colleen, does the content come from the kiosk itself, or a central server?)
[11:17] colleen Criss: this can be set out on M HUBs
[11:17] colleen Criss: the kiosk
[11:17] Silvanus Northman: both version have its goodies
[11:17] colleen Criss: by folder
[11:17] colleen Criss: or by web
[11:18] colleen Criss: we were told we could not have a server one
[11:18] Forceme Silverspar: I think it would have more impact if it wasjust one product. Just my view eh.
[11:18] Qie Niangao: oh right
[11:18] Blondin Linden: ok lets keep truckin!
[11:18] Blondin Linden: next :)
[11:18] colleen Criss: this never needs one anyhow as long as wiki stays upto date
[11:18] Qie Niangao: (forgot, sorry. just thinking of the pain to update content if it's local)
[11:18] Youri Ashton: that kiosk should work on LL servers, not any other way. that gives more savety to all
[11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: (dotnm forget to mark action items for the agenda for teh wiki, Blondin!)
[11:18] Blondin Linden: Flickr Group Pool Content Standards
[11:19] Blondin Linden: so, now that the group is set up - we should prob talk about moderation
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: you were going to come back witha darft on that, Blondin
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: *draft
[11:20] Blondin Linden: so I have some ideas kicking around
[11:20] Youri Ashton: strange question perhaps, but did any of you think about disabilities yet? enough people with disabilities like to join in as well @ Zindra, but can not due to the lack of disability aid.
[11:21] Blondin Linden: well - first - can we agree that the it'll need some sort of moderation? DOes anyone disagree with that?
[11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree
[11:21] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:21] Silvanus Northman: will keep that in mind Youri, ty
[11:21] colleen Criss: agrees
[11:21] Youri Ashton: its just a matter of time before more groups of people with disabilities join SL and join your communities
[11:22] colleen Criss: Youri , :) good idea create a propoal, if you need help let any of us know :)
[11:22] Blondin Linden: so there are some obvious moderation or rules that I think are generally approriate for this kind of thing.
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: (youri....good topic..if it is Zindra related, you shoudl get that on the agenda for an upcmingh meeting)
[11:22] Youri Ashton: and I was not even speaking about things like autism, but more like wheelchair friendly places and for people with visual disabilities
[11:22] colleen Criss: listens for Blondin
[11:22] Blondin Linden: would u agree, that , in order to place more of these out, that the conent should be of mature nature?
[11:22] Youri Ashton: ginette, hardly have the time myself, just on since i had some time to spare :)
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ie, non explicit?
[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Blondin
[11:23] colleen Criss: agrees Blondin
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes Blondin
[11:23] Counter Landfall: actually as neutral as possible
[11:23] Forceme Silverspar: As in PG neutral?
[11:23] Counter Landfall: so the same material could be used on signup
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:23] Blondin Linden: thanks counter - I agree.
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[11:24] Blondin Linden: I also think that anything that is purly advertizing for one business would be a slippery slope and after awhile - it'll be nothing but adds. So I think anythingn that is clearly an ad shouldnt be allowed.
[11:24] Blondin Linden: Yes?
[11:24] Qie Niangao: yes
[11:24] Silvanus Northman: yep
[11:24] Youri Ashton: I think LL should not bother taking over the work done by the residents on mature/adult matters. Although working genitals could work for example.
[11:25] Counter Landfall: agreed
[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: Hmm....
[11:25] Blondin Linden: along that line - spam and general noise should be filtered out[
11:25] colleen Criss: define please?
[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: I think that's gonna be hard to police.
[11:25] Youri Ashton: besides that, if LL took over, it most likely would be killed by the laws LL has to obay, which rather kills everything
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Blondin...whoelheartedly
[11:25] colleen Criss: an ad so nothing shot at your place of business or any place of business?
[11:25] colleen Criss: no event s at them etc?
[11:26] Counter Landfall: pure info on how to verify
[11:26] Blondin Linden: good point Colleen. I think theres a very blury line there
[11:26] Forceme Silverspar: I don't see what insentive people would have to upload their pics.
[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: Moderation is like Curating an art show....certain standards would be upheld.....thats normal
[11:26] Silvanus Northman: yes colleen no business, just to make them curious for adult
[11:26] Counter Landfall: and what you could expect to find there - in general terms[11:26] Silvanus Northman: : ) ty counter
[11:26] colleen Criss: how do you propose to generate business then for Zindra? if no one knows what is here?
[11:26] colleen Criss: I think no XXX is a great idea
[11:27] colleen Criss: no nudity even
[11:27] Silvanus Northman: well we dont speak about business now colleen, we speak about SL and its Adult part
[11:27] colleen Criss: but we have a gallery
[11:27] Kaddan Yue: is this not a adult sim, so now we are going to be bias
[11:27] Youri Ashton: would it not be better to leave the policing to a special admin group made out of residents? that havve the ability to kick, freeze and return items when needed.
[11:27] Blondin Linden: Forceme - there is no REAL incentive other than simply sharing your time/experience on ZIndra with others. THose who are into that will be happy to post w/o getting something in return.
[11:27] Silvanus Northman: adverts can be done by well organized private slideshows...
[11:28] Blondin Linden: Colleen , I think blantant ads will be very obvious.
[11:28] Youri Ashton: they could handle also foul language use for example IF the owner of that land disallowes that in that sim/land or however stated
[11:28] Forceme Silverspar: Thank you Blondin, I can see that. I have uploaded some of my pics :0
[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: if it helps, view it as an art show.......sort of....not an advertising vehcile
[11:28] Blondin Linden: if you take pics of your event - thats more of a social setting
[11:28] colleen Criss: I agree with that
[11:28] colleen Criss: but if we hold an event we cant post those photos?
[11:29] Forceme Silverspar: Depends if it is a clead Ad?
[11:29] Forceme Silverspar: Clear.
[11:29] colleen Criss: sorry laggin terribly
[11:29] Youri Ashton: LL won't have to do much more then helping out with the harder cases, incase someone needs to be banned for example, and the people in zindra only need to bother with that policing group
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin....do you or will yuo have yur draft posted somewhere we can read? and think over?
[11:29] Blondin Linden: I think you'd be able to .
[11:29] Youri Ashton: takes preasure away from both sides
[11:29] colleen Criss: ok ty Blondin
[11:30] Kaddan Yue: So we are going Mature in other words, I so don't get this[11:30] Blondin Linden: Yeah I'll work on it. THough I want you all to think of the issue of moderation. Not everyone is gunna know these guidless nor should we expect them to. Perhaps the best idea to keep it up to date is to have people here help with that.
[11:30] Blondin Linden: So think about that - if it makes sense
[11:30] Blondin Linden: other wise, we're going to have issues in scalability :)
[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: so whast the next step exactly?[11:31] colleen Criss: it does
[11:31] Youri Ashton: blondin, think you should take my idea in concideration. its both good for zindra as LL
[11:31] Blondin Linden: so I am actually out of time but let me take a look at the wiki and see if theres anything I should touch upon
[11:32] Blondin Linden: youri, Im thinking your on the right track
[11:32] Zada Bury: Before you hide fast: Thank you for the short time this week ... and see you next week, Blondin. =^_^=
[11:32] Youri Ashton: I know i am, lol. i did not randomly shout out something :)
[11:32] Blondin Linden: hahah
[11:32] Forceme Silverspar: Thanks Blondin, until next time.
[11:32] Youri Ashton: I been telling that from the start
[11:32] Youri Ashton: lol
[11:32] Blondin Linden: I think the rest can wait.
[11:32] Blondin Linden: Thanks all
[11:32] Blondin Linden: ttyl
[11:32] Counter Landfall: cheers
[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao
[11:32] colleen Criss: ty
[11:32] Zada Bury: *purrs*
[11:32] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin
[11:32] Silvanus Northman: ty Blondin : )
[11:32] Youri Ashton: thanks for having us blondin
[11:32] Redlag Mayo: bye Blondin
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