Monday, October 18, 2010

OCTOBER 18TH COMMUNITY MEETING MINUTES

[11:09] Blondin Linden: I kinda wish they images would be on a loop but I couldnt get that set up in the time I had available

[11:09] Blondin Linden: Sil, was there a reason why?

[11:09] Rickk Turbo: is anyone sitting left of you colleen?

[11:09] colleen Criss: no Rickk

[11:09] colleen Criss: c'mon

[11:09] Rickk Turbo: since SL is taking ages to unlag itself

[11:09] Rickk Turbo: ta

[11:09] Silvanus Northman: np, blondin, you just rezzed an older version but for the first its pretty good this way, Blondin, TY

[11:09] Blondin Linden accepted your inventory offer.

[11:09] Zada Bury: seems Gin crash

[11:10] colleen Criss accepted your inventory offer.

[11:10] Qie Niangao accepted your inventory offer.

[11:10] Blondin Linden: oh so there is another copy of it?

[11:10] Zada Bury accepted your inventory offer.

[11:10] Lias Leandros: Im not sure everyone got the agenda

[11:10] Silvanus Northman: I uploaded pics to Flickr: the account is 'SilvanusNorthman'

[11:10] Ratatosk Independent accepted your inventory offer.

[11:10] Toran Babenco accepted your inventory offer.

[11:10] Counter Landfall accepted your inventory offer.

[11:10] Silvanus Northman accepted your inventory offer.

[11:11] Zada Bury: wb, Gin

[11:11] Tia Renfort accepted your inventory offer.

[11:11] Silvanus Northman: yes you should have a newer one too, but I will send you the repeating version

[11:11] Forceme Silverspar: Why do Ginette's minutes for this meeting differ from the stuff Lias has just out out - 5 mins after the meeting has started?

[11:11] Tia Renfort: thank you for the agenda

[11:11] Blondin Linden: yeah send it again. Sometimes things get lost in my inventory

[11:11] colleen Criss: got it Lias ty

[11:11] Ginette Pinazzo declined your inventory offer.

[11:11] Ginette Pinazzo: Im back

[11:11] Silvanus Northman: np, blondin send you a new after this meeting

[11:11] Blondin Linden: k thanks

[11:11] Silvanus Northman: with a manual : )

[11:12] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:12] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin, Ginette, Lias? Why have we two sets of agendas?

[11:12] Blondin Linden: next up we ahve:

[11:12] Blondin Linden: * Podyan Sim:

a) Did glitches get fixed?

b) Podyan becomes Zindra Gateway: The verdict from Blondin?

[11:12] Lias Leandros: whoah

[11:12] Lias Leandros: what Item is delivered from that slideshow when touched?

[11:12] Ginette Pinazzo: because lias refuses to acknowledghe we have an agenda procedire and is YET AGAIN trying to cause a mes

[11:12] Blondin Linden: a) Glitches? Can you be more specific/ Im sorry

[11:13] colleen Criss: Stop it

[11:13] Lias Leandros: Collen said she couldnt find a agenda on the wiki

[11:13] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin?

[11:13] Blondin Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Blondin_Linden%27s_Zindra_Office_Hour_Agenda

[11:13] Toran Babenco: Chill Ginetter :) we are all here for the same reason :

[11:13] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin.....you had a list of techy glitches Silva gave you 2 weeks ago, I believe

[11:13] Lias Leandros: So I took the transcript and copied one from it

[11:13] Forceme Silverspar: You need to get this sorted. It is ridiculous.

[11:13] Lias Leandros: What item is delivered when the slideshow is touched?

[11:13] colleen Criss: we are conducting business

[11:13] colleen Criss: lets do that

[11:13] colleen Criss: stop

[11:13] Silvanus Northman: but are not hard glitches more constuctive thoughts...

[11:14] Lias Leandros: is a noecard delivered or a landmark?

[11:14] Forceme Silverspar: colleen, whose agenda do YOU want to follow then, Ginettes or Lias?

[11:14] Blondin Linden: yep I see your notecard Sil

[11:14] Silvanus Northman: : )

[11:14] colleen Criss: I have my own :) Im trying to listen !

[11:14] Lias Leandros: I never got any agenda

[11:14] colleen Criss: thank you

[11:15] Blondin Linden: No I didnt take care of it. BUt I'll do so this week and have a bettter answer for you next week. SOrry about that

[11:15] Silvanus Northman: np : ) good things need time ; )

[11:15] Lias Leandros: what item is delivered when the slideshow is touched? we were just discussing the slideshow

[11:15] Zada Bury: let us follow the agenda on Blondin's Wiki

[11:16] Lias Leandros: but were just discussing the slideshow

[11:16] Counter Landfall: sounds like a plan Zada

[11:16] Lias Leandros: so what is given from the slideshow?

[11:16] colleen Criss: listens

[11:16] Toran Babenco listens

[11:16] Blondin Linden: b) b) Podyan becomes Zindra Gateway: The verdict from Blondin?

[11:16] Blondin Linden: first off - that term gateway is a bit misleading :)

[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: please stay on the agenda topics...tiem is precious.....yes..the 'Gatway' idea is next to discuss

[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: whats a better term thne?

[11:17] Blondin Linden: THe idea was to switch the names of Podyan and Zindra

[11:17] Blondin Linden: thus making Zindra a Moderate region

[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: why dotn you like 'Gateway' Blondin?

[11:17] Blondin Linden: b/c we just ended the CG program

[11:18] Counter Landfall: Zindra Adult Info Center

[11:18] Blondin Linden: we might want to avoid using the term :)

[11:18] colleen Criss: CG?

[11:18] Blondin Linden: CG = Community Gateway

[11:18] Blondin Linden: sorry about that.

[11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: Zindra Portal?

[11:18] colleen Criss: NKOTB sorry :)

[11:18] Silvanus Northman: ahhh

[11:18] Counter Landfall: Zindra Adult Continent Info Center

[11:18] Blondin Linden: New Kids on the Block

[11:18] Blondin Linden: I k know that one too

[11:18] colleen Criss: :)

[11:19] Counter Landfall: Zindra Adult Regions Info Center

[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: apart from the name itself, Blondin..any otehr isseus with the 'name switch'? or is it bascially ok to do?

[11:19] colleen Criss: KISS

[11:20] Blondin Linden: It's easy enough to do. And I've proposed it, waiting for feedback. It may seem like a small task but I just want to make sure I'm covering all the bases. Which is why I have to wait for an approval

[11:20] Blondin Linden: kind of a non update at this point

[11:21] Blondin Linden: but it's in the pipeline

[11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: so you want a list of name sugegstions from us? as an action item?

[11:21] Blondin Linden: action item is still on me

[11:21] Blondin Linden: to get internal feedback

[11:22] Blondin Linden: I dont think we'll need to generate a list of names as we're simply suggesting to swtich Podyan and Zindra

[11:22] Silvanus Northman: who renamed Podyan to Arapaima?

[11:22] Counter Landfall: I think the main thing about the place is that either the name itself or the land description must make it clear this is a place to get information aobut how to access adult regions

[11:22] Blondin Linden: well, what we did FIRST was switch Zindra and Arapaima

[11:22] Silvanus Northman: I see

[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: hold on..it gets confusing........(grips countertop)

[11:23] Blondin Linden: :) In the beginning, there were Prims

[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: haha

[11:23] colleen Criss: laffs

[11:23] Hypatia Meili: and now we can fold them

[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: ok...so action item - we wait (sigh)

[11:24] colleen Criss: I agree with Counter

[11:24] Blondin Linden: History lesson!! When the adult continent first opened, the region of Zindra sat 4 open water sims out from the land mass

[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: I actually agree with Counter too

[11:24] Blondin Linden: it was an infohub

[11:24] colleen Criss: Im so lagged

[11:25] Blondin Linden: but people though it was confusing people, making htem think that Zindra was just a single region

[11:25] Blondin Linden: so we switch it with a land locked region called Arapima

[11:25] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:25] Blondin Linden: so that when people mapped ZIndra, they would see the continenet

[11:25] Qie Niangao: (fwiw, I think it was Zindra and Whorlebow sims that swapped)

[11:25] Blondin Linden: sorry for the spelling

[11:26] Blondin Linden: ...was it?

[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: gotta love that long term planning!

[11:26] Blondin Linden: thats why Im not a teacher

[11:26] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:26] VooDoo Greeter: Stone Olrich entered the defined area. (Bear <217.66250,>)

[11:26] Qie Niangao: yeah, Arapaima was always the "save" hub... not that it matters.

[11:26] Qie Niangao: *"safe"

[11:26] Hypatia Meili: i remeber aripma being lone but close

[11:26] Silvanus Northman: I see, ty

[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: Arapaima was busy when i stopped by today!

[11:26] Blondin Linden: let me bring it back to the agenda item

[11:26] Blondin Linden: I stand corrected then :)

[11:26] Blondin Linden: anywho! thats off topic

[11:27] Blondin Linden: Action item is for me to get internal feedback

[11:27] Rickk Turbo: Arapa is anways busy

[11:27] Rickk Turbo: :)

[11:27] Rickk Turbo: always*

[11:28] Blondin Linden: Proposals (New Business)

* Art Maze: an event for the Zexpo Island

http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011

[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: yes its a full propsoal so its long, but I can try to overview

[11:28] Blondin Linden: so we have our first proposal for an event

[11:28] Blondin Linden: please do Ginette

[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: Art Maze 2011 is a proposal I have had available for review, for months, and I have assembled a team already (there are 8 of us so far with room for more!). I've talked it up in the arts community (which is a very lucrative part of SL) and interest seems high. I believe it's a natural idea that appeals to many categories and will be high-profile enough and inclusive enough to reach far outside Zindra and attract attention. I think that involving the Arts is great way to crossover into a large market. Art Maze seems to have instant appeal to anyone I've spoken with.

[11:28] Forceme Silverspar: Sounds brill!

[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: CONCEPT......

[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: Experienced and/or motivated SL artists/builders/architects create walk-through environments using pre-designed connection points (doorways) that link together to form a large maze. Those with the unique skill combination of artist/builder/architect will be approached (those who specialize in larger immersive works)

[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: VISITOR EXPERIENCE.....

[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: Visitors can enter from a common starting point or use a 'random TP' system to start exploring the labyrinth. The diversity of styles between the many maze sections will be highlighted as visitors move from one environment to another. A program with artist information will also be available, and companion website.

[11:30] Ginette Pinazzo: theer are a lot more details, all in line with the requireemtns needed to submit an Island proposla...but thats the basics

[11:30] Lias Leandros: will this maze include Adult Content?

[11:31] Zada Bury: I would wonder, if not

[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: the contents of the maze will eb up to the individualk artsts......though the tema might think of certain contenht requirements.......yet to be detrmined

[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: *team

[11:31] Blondin Linden: Do / Will the builders have any requirements for building

[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: does anyone not understand the basic concept of the 'art maze'?

[11:31] Blondin Linden: ah theres the answer

[11:31] Lias Leandros: Then with adult content included its not anything Linden Lab will endorse outside of Zindra

[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: teh proposla really goes into some of those details

[11:31] Rickk Turbo: it has to look a-maze-in?

[11:31] Rickk Turbo: lol

[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: as wityh anything, marketing and promotion will laregly be up to the team doing the event

[11:32] Lias Leandros: thathurt Rickk:-)

[11:32] Lias Leandros: lol

[11:32] Lias Leandros: .

[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: thats funny Rickk! we need laughs around here!

[11:33] Ginette Pinazzo: o0ne unusual thing abotu this event is that bguilding woudl need to start evry early....the mze 'connection' points must be set out early so artisst can choose them, Blondin

[11:33] Ginette Pinazzo: (then artisst go build the sections at their own sims)

[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: I have talked to soem LEA peoepl (though that organisation is reallky quite young) and I aslo think there can be an association there

[11:34] Blondin Linden: I know a lot of SL artists are pretty divided on the topic on adult content and waht is really considered Adult. But I think being on adult land could give them a bit more flexiblity to explore and comfortablity knowing that.

[11:34] Lias Leandros: thats great

[11:34] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree with that Blondin..I think the taregt marekt and the felxibility for artists give sus a win-win

[11:34] Lias Leandros: but iut really doesnt address the visibility issues we have

[11:35] Blondin Linden: but I would still recomend keeping it from being too....explicit

[11:35] Lias Leandros: keeping busy inside the box is what we do everyday

[11:35] colleen Criss: visability issues?

[11:35] Lias Leandros: outside of Zindra

[11:35] Hypatia Meili: but it canoof cours include adult content? thatis th point, isn't it

[11:35] Counter Landfall: outside of Zindra

[11:35] BBQBill Odriscoll: We will become more visible as we involve other groups and people

[11:35] Counter Landfall: or adult regions in general

[11:35] Lias Leandros: the new players come on G rated or ,if they can figure it out , mature rated

[11:35] BBQBill Odriscoll: This is a step in the right direction

[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: no too explicit> that might be easy to implement, Blondin...the team woudl make a vision statement of soem type

[11:35] Lias Leandros: they dont know anything about us

[11:35] Hypatia Meili: the events thatis

[11:36] Date Bar Infogiver: Nick Slafford entered the defined area. (Adult Community Center <101.05370,>)

[11:36] Lias Leandros: the film on the start page never materialized

[11:36] colleen Criss: agrees BBQ

[11:36] Lias Leandros: so there is still no linden advertising for us behind the search firewall

[11:36] Counter Landfall looks forward to the vision statement that is not too explicit

[11:36] Lias Leandros: then events within the firewall are great

[11:36] Lias Leandros: but wiuth adult content included in them

[11:36] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree with 'not too explicit'; anywya, because any marketing effort must remember that videos or optehr promo materials will eventually hit th mass market...thats just inevitable

[11:36] Lias Leandros: Linden Lab does not see any reason to openly support and market them

[11:36] colleen Criss: ok I get the fireall need I really do so we have to do our own work to advert outside

[11:37] Blondin Linden: well Lias, if we are able to switch Podyan and Zindra, then there is an alternative route right there

[11:37] Lias Leandros: agred Blondin

[11:37] Counter Landfall: I'd say the femdom stuff is pretty explicity, yeh?

[11:37] colleen Criss: I agree with Counter

[11:37] Lias Leandros: but that maze with adult content couldnt be advertised there or in any mature hub

[11:37] Blondin Linden: here's a question : how are the artisits chosen?

[11:37] Lias Leandros: because it would be deemed adult content

[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin, Id liek tol formally submit thios specific event proposal as of today...I think I;'ve hoit all of the criteria in the proposal...Ithink!

[11:38] colleen Criss: any ads need to be neutral from *lifestyle* groups

[11:38] Qie Niangao: so, it would be helpful if the ZExpo events could piggy-back on things LL is promoting already... a kind of "fringe festival" to whatever's doing (like Winterfaire, etc.)

[11:38] Counter Landfall: agreed colleen

[11:38] Lias Leandros: Not with adult content in them Qie

[11:38] Toran Babenco: agreed colleen

[11:38] Qie Niangao: I'm not so sure

[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: the artisst would be chosen by the team.......its a unique combo...they must build well.....a little architecture....etc......but i think we;ll have many to look through

[11:38] Counter Landfall: kindoff like Cumdex was to Comdex in the old days?

[11:39] Lias Leandros: I dontthink artists should be 'chosen' by their peers. Anyone that submits within the guuidelines should participate

[11:39] Qie Niangao: that's the whole point... e.g., the SLnB kerfuffle every damned year about exposed nipples or some such nonsense

[11:39] Lias Leandros: thats not fair to exclude people because you want to

[11:39] Blondin Linden: would you be taking applications? Suggestions from LEA memebers? That may be a good place to get some guidance, the LEA participants

[11:39] colleen Criss: agrees with Lias

[11:39] Toran Babenco: agreed Lias

[11:39] Hypatia Meili: are you guys stil goin on about femdom , wasnt a "Zindra" site created now?

[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: thats a neat idea Qie...the fringe festival approach (Bady wroet a nude sailing event that is liek that)

[11:39] Lias Leandros: lol No Hypatia

[11:39] Lias Leandros: we are on agenda item #4

[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Blondin, Ive already gotten requests for that...taloking to LEA and otehrs arts orgs

[11:39] Lias Leandros: 4. GINETTE’S EVENT PROPOSALS USING 3 LINDEN ISLANDS IN ZINDRA

[11:40] Counter Landfall: no, going on about what is too explicit

[11:40] colleen Criss: whos proposal is this item 4 and can we listen to them for a moment

[11:40] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Hypa....I migrated all that material to a new site

[11:40] Lias Leandros: So Ginette and a few 'team' members dictating who participates in this Art maze is not something that is completely accepted

[11:41] colleen Criss: it is not

[11:41] Toran Babenco: not it is not

[11:41] Ginette Pinazzo: colleen... she is just referring to what we are alreayd talking about

[11:41] colleen Criss: ok ty

[11:41] Lias Leandros: just making notes for the agenda next week

[11:41] Hypatia Meili: canyou guy give th femdom thing a rest "whichi have nothing to do with it was just the web adress Ginette already had

[11:41] Blondin Linden: What do you suggest as an alternative Lias?

[11:41] Counter Landfall: anyone who fills a set criteria are free to enter?

[11:41] Lias Leandros: no one is talking about Fendom Hypatia,lol

[11:41] colleen Criss: we are over femdom :) moving on

[11:41] Lias Leandros: only YOU

[11:41] Ginette Pinazzo: yes counter...anyone who will make a good piecxe for the art maze...simple enough?

[11:41] Hypatia Meili: yes lias you

[11:41] Lias Leandros: 'good piece'?

[11:42] Lias Leandros: no Hypatia

[11:42] Lias Leandros: lol

[11:42] Lias Leandros: we were talking aboutr a art maze

[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: open to any artists/builders who qualify....ANY event liek this would need a process to screen applications...its basic

[11:42] Hypatia Meili: i type slow :p

[11:42] Lias Leandros: 'qualify'?

[11:42] Lias Leandros: .

[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: q....u...a...l..i...f....y

[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: can we move on?

[11:42] Lias Leandros: noooooo

[11:42] colleen Criss: suggests a team of builders build entire maze actually so artists can set up in that guide

[11:43] Lias Leandros: open to THE PUBLIC

[11:43] BBQBill Odriscoll: Look, Blondin wants some limits. If you have limits they have to be defined. Set up a sub-team to difen them and review them next week.

[11:43] colleen Criss: great artisits are NOT always great builders

[11:43] Ginette Pinazzo: teh event will be open to the public...but the artsis cant just be anyobyd...woudl you have piano players at a guitar festival?

[11:43] Lias Leandros: yes set real limits - not a few people who like your art and accept you.

[11:43] colleen Criss: music is music no matter what is played

[11:44] Lias Leandros: size, materials used, timelines

[11:44] Lias Leandros: those are 'limits'

[11:44] BBQBill Odriscoll: I dont care what the limits are as long as the work for us and LL

[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: this is a specific event and has a specific team so it can happen......thats caleld being functional......shall we move on?

[11:44] Counter Landfall: the criteria must be wide enough that a broad section of such artists can participate

[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: yes Counter, I agree with you

[11:44] colleen Criss: would like to know who is the Team

[11:44] Lias Leandros: as long as this team doesnt become art critiques and a clique - sure move on

[11:44] BBQBill Odriscoll: Agreed

[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: teh team (Iso far) is listed at bottom of proposal....and I am sure it will grow

[11:45] Toran Babenco agrees with Lias

[11:45] Lias Leandros: do all of the participants have to be Zindrans?

[11:45] colleen Criss: thank you :) Ill look

[11:45] Counter Landfall: ideally, yes

[11:45] Lias Leandros: Ginette

[11:45] Silvanus Northman: hmmm

[11:45] Lias Leandros: are you LIMITING it t Zindrans?

[11:45] colleen Criss: thats limiting exposure

[11:45] Lias Leandros: well, thats why I asked

[11:46] Blondin Linden: but lets move on

[11:46] Blondin Linden: I think the idea is that it would be open to all

[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: I am not sure yet. I think prefs to Zindrans is a good ieda...but in the interst of opening thinsg up....probably all shoudl be allowed

[11:46] Counter Landfall: it is kindoff like saying British aritst can participate in an exhibition of US artist

[11:46] Lias Leandros: because i can see all of thse artists with no investment in Zindra flocking to free Linden Sims

[11:46] Lias Leandros: I dont think all should be allowed

[11:46] Lias Leandros: thissi for Zindra

[11:46] Blondin Linden: * Zindra Mentor Team: proposal to form team to brainstorm mentor ideas

http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-mentor-team

[11:46] colleen Criss: listens

[11:46] Lias Leandros: why would a 'door' open to a place outside of Zindra?

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: teh point is to make a n exciting event that will draw peoepl from all over....from outside Zindra...in theory it doesnt matter who the artisst are...if they have draw, its ebtter

[11:47] CLUB SCHOOL: Fany Fishnet entered the defined area. (Bear <219.68373,>)

[11:47] Qie Niangao: OFFS. If AM Radio would be willing to rez something, we'd turn it down? That would be crazy.

[11:47] CLUB SCHOOL: Fany Fishnet entered the defined area. (Bear <219.68373,>)

[11:47] Lias Leandros: Like we have the time to advertise for other adult private islands

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: ok...Mentor team...Ratsie..yous till here?

[11:47] Ratatosk Independent: Sure am.

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: Ratatosk Independent has written a beautiful piece (see article at http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-mentor-team) that outlines the problems and proposes possible solutions, related to the absence of Mentor programs for Zindra.

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: (this is a ucik topic...doitn worry)

[11:47] Ginette Pinazzo: In light of this topic, I'd like to propose that we form a special Zindra Mentor Team. This will be a brainstorming team with the following mission: To think of as many ideas as possible, and develop them into actual proposals, for programs that connect with existing SL Mentor programs OR are new Zindra Mentor programs.

[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo: I can help form the brainstorming team and consult, to show some simple brainstorming techniques that encourage best results, if needed.

[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo: The entire point of this proposal now is just to form a team to come up with creative ideas. Some of us have already been starting teams like this for various topics, and a lot of great ideas are coming out of it. Brainstorming teams are a great way to develop ideas that doesn't take up precious meeting time, and can result in solid solution-oriented proposals.

[11:48] Lias Leandros: There is no existing SL mentor program

[11:48] Ginette Pinazzo: END

[11:48] Blondin Linden: Resident HEkp Network

[11:48] Blondin Linden: Help

[11:48] colleen Criss: not a LL one no but Im in Mental metors

[11:48] colleen Criss: mentors*

[11:49] Lias Leandros: And we have a office dedicated to just developing FREE Marketing events for ZIndrans. Its COMMERCIAL EVENTS SPECIALISTS and its located roadside in Yedboro

[11:49] Lias Leandros: so its a good idea to help thy neighbors

[11:49] colleen Criss: agrees with Lias

[11:49] Ginette Pinazzo: does anyonje feel strongly abotu nthis topic enough to join sucha team to brainstorm?

[11:49] Lias Leandros: already doing it for months at CES office

[11:49] Counter Landfall: not me :-O

[11:49] Lias Leandros: lol

[11:50] BBQBill Odriscoll: I will if I can get the time. IM me.

[11:50] Ginette Pinazzo: ok BBQ (adds name to list)

[11:50] Ginette Pinazzo: please friend me if your interested....eitehr I or Ratsie will collect names

[11:50] Blondin Linden: thanks guys

[11:51] Silvanus Northman: about this topic?

[11:51] Silvanus Northman: how about to contact existing groups in Zindra?

[11:51] colleen Criss: Im in 2 actually already NCI and Mental, conflict?

[11:51] Ratatosk Independent: If you have any questions about the helper/greeter/mentor activities currently going on elsewhere, I am at your disposal. The pamphlet I wrote might point to the benefits for both the new Zindrans and for Zindra as a whole.

[11:51] Blondin Linden: we ahve 10 minutes so we should move on

[11:51] Blondin Linden: Open Questions

* What happens when Blondin cancels a meeting?: Blondin's thoughts

[11:51] Ginette Pinazzo: I strongly suggest everyone read that piece Ratsie wrote..it poutloines thinsg very well too

[11:51] Silvanus Northman: yes

[11:52] Lias Leandros: Last week Blondin you said: Blondin Linden: Counter, I still rely on your group (Zindra Alliance) as well, but I don’t have the ability to create roles there. So please - feel free and the meeting notes can be posted there as well.

Counter Landfall: you can post as many notes as you want there.

Blondin Linden: notes, but not roles.

[11:52] Lias Leandros: So Counter said that you can,indded post notices

[11:52] Lias Leandros: and he already has the secretary role there

[11:52] Silvanus Northman: I would like to be here too, even when Blondin is absent...

[11:52] Lias Leandros: He is taking volunteers to fill that role

[11:52] Ginette Pinazzo: thought about the topic, Blondin? when you are absent?

[11:52] Lias Leandros: and those folks will take turns monthly with the agenda and minutes

[11:52] Counter Landfall: I added Blondin to it if he wants to be a secretary, but your unique role can post notes too

[11:53] Ratatosk Independent: Please excuse me, but I have to take my leave for another assignment. IM me for additional information. Thank you.

[11:53] Lias Leandros: Thanks COunter

[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao Ratsie

[11:53] Silvanus Northman: ty, Ratatosk : )

[11:53] Lias Leandros: Bye Ratatosk

[11:53] colleen Criss: take care Rat

[11:53] Lias Leandros: thanks for the info

[11:53] Counter Landfall: bye

[11:53] Blondin Linden: If I cancel a meeting, please do feel free to have a meeting. The meeting may want to be cut in half to 30 minutes but since the agenda is up on the wiki, I think if you just stick to the clock, you can forward me any notes afterwards

[11:53] Zada Bury: *wa..ves* (that was faster than Blondin does ... )

[11:53] Blondin Linden: if you dont know, email = blondin@lindenlab.com

[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: we are talking about the question of what happens swhen blondin is absent...not secretaries...thats separate

[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: ok Blondin...simple enough

[11:54] colleen Criss: thank you Blondin

[11:54] Lias Leandros: secretaries Are the key when Blondin is absent

[11:54] Blondin Linden: I understand some things are based on what I have to say - thats why the meeting may just be 30 miuntes if Im not here

[11:54] Qie Niangao: Blondin, there's an awful lot (besides the meeting) for which you act as "gate"...

[11:54] Qie Niangao: is there any way you can delegate anything?

[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: secretaries are key for every meeting, but until the Expo group (not a private group) has notices going out, it doesnt seem to eb happening yet

[11:55] Lias Leandros: we can 'table' the items that Blondin has to deal with and get to the community issues and bring up new ones for the agenda

[11:55] Lias Leandros: we are doing it in Zindra Alliance

[11:55] Lias Leandros: the grup that has twice as many Zindra residents in it than Zexpo

[11:55] Lias Leandros: so its much more effective

[11:55] Blondin Linden: that sounds good

[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: ZA isa private rgoup mwghich is great...but cannot eb the ';officiual' conduit of infromation

[11:55] Lias Leandros: Thanks Blondin

[11:55] Lias Leandros: Za still has more participation

[11:55] Blondin Linden: If I'm going to cancel, I'll work on finding someone who WILL be here to keep everyone to the clock.

[11:56] Qie Niangao: I guess I have Bay City Alliance-envy. I saw their Community Center... if there were some way to make progress... like on the Zindra sim... somehow.

[11:56] Ginette Pinazzo: and ZA has YET to post any infromation from hese meetings to its meembers...etc etc

[11:56] Blondin Linden: I'll pick different people so its fair

[11:56] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:56] Lias Leandros: You dont mind joining it and spamming each member with your notecards Ginette

[11:56] Lias Leandros: so it seems to work for you also

[11:56] Counter Landfall: use it Ginette ;-)

[11:56] Counter Landfall: A private group Ginette insist being member of

[11:56] Lias Leandros: .

[11:56] Ginette Pinazzo: dont call me a spammer lias...in the few minuets youve got left befiore being re-muted

[11:56] Blondin Linden: LAST item

[11:56] colleen Criss: wow

[11:56] Blondin Linden: * What about teens migrating to main grid?: Zada wants to know!

[11:56] Toran Babenco: tsk tsk

[11:56] Lias Leandros: You spammed my alt in that group three times in a month - and as amany names as you could take from the group

[11:56] Blondin Linden: teens will be stuck with G rated land

[11:57] Toran Babenco: keep kewl "ladies" :)

[11:57] Blondin Linden: they wont be able to even search adult

[11:57] Lias Leandros: Blondin did you just say you will pick the community secretaries for Zindra?

[11:57] Rickk Turbo: unless they use false details :)

[11:57] colleen Criss: h9ow is LL detering that Blondin?

[11:57] Zada Bury: oh ... yes ... how is the project and ar ethere news, how the teens will affect us?

[11:57] colleen Criss: how*

[11:57] Rickk Turbo: teengrid was a terrible idea from day one imo

[11:57] Blondin Linden: no, if Im not going to make it to a meeting, Ill work on asking someone to keep their eye ont he clock and make sure agenda items are hit

[11:57] Zada Bury: maybe can give us some infos next week?

[11:58] Qie Niangao: Blondin, any thoughts about G regions adjacent M regions? any maturity-rating-based visual muting or something to keep the G view "pure" ?

[11:58] Blondin Linden: What info are you looking for specificaly zada>

[11:58] Hypatia Meili: PG still needs cleaning up!

[11:58] Blondin Linden: well G and M regions are allowed to sit adjacent now so I dont think that will change.

[11:58] Zada Bury: well ... nothing really special ... I've only lost a bot the information about.

[11:58] Blondin Linden: Hypa, a lot still needs cleaning up

[11:58] Blondin Linden: :)

[11:59] colleen Criss: Id like to know how LLs will police the teens from mature/mod/adult

[11:59] Blondin Linden: the same way we kept them on the teen grid i think*

[11:59] Qie Niangao: so, self-identified teens will be able to cam to Moderate regions... that's kinda unfortunate, for those still doing the notti in private on M land.

[11:59] Rickk Turbo: about as effective as reporting spammers

[11:59] colleen Criss: :) Ive AR'd a few strays

[11:59] Blondin Linden: MAGIC!

[11:59] Zada Bury: I remember only the new ToS we was to agree to and there was no change in the age.

[11:59] Rickk Turbo: probably not very much

[11:59] colleen Criss: so its not fool proof

[11:59] Blondin Linden: ok all, I gotta go

[11:59] Blondin Linden: thanks again!

[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao Blondin

[12:00] BBQBill Odriscoll: Take care Blondin

[12:00] Silvanus Northman: ty Blondin : )

[12:00] Lias Leandros: .

[12:00] colleen Criss: take care Blondin

[12:00] Lias Leandros: bye

[12:00] Zada Bury: *wavesto blonin*

[12:00] Hypatia Meili: bye blodin

[12:00] Ginette Pinazzo: take care, everyone..Im off

[12:00] Zada Bury: * waves to Blondin*

[12:00] colleen Criss: take care

[12:00] Silvanus Northman: tc Gina, Ciao

[12:00] Tia Renfort: have a good day everyone and thank you for allowing me to sit in

[12:01] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao Tia..nice to see you

[12:01] colleen Criss: :) have a good day

[12:01] Tia Renfort: pleasure to meet you all

[12:01] Lias Leandros: Counter is adding secretaries to the Zindra Alliance group so we get Community meeting agendas sent to us

[12:01] Lias Leandros: comprehensive ones

[12:01] Tia Renfort: ciao

[12:01] Hypatia Meili: Blondin I would like to ask an unrelated questionbye

[12:01] Lias Leandros: if you want to volunteer as a monthly secretary just let him know

[12:01] Counter Landfall: yep

[12:01] Counter Landfall: give me a holler

[12:02] Lias Leandros: collen criss said she will be a secretary

[12:02] Lias Leandros: for Novenmber

[12:02] Lias Leandros: so Add her Counter

[12:02] Counter Landfall: sure thing

[12:03] Lias Leandros: cool

[12:03] colleen Criss: :) thank you

[12:03] Counter Landfall: done

[12:03] Lias Leandros: thanks:-)

[12:03] BBQBill Odriscoll: Good day everyone

[12:03] colleen Criss: Counter?

[12:03] Silvanus Northman: thank you all, till next week : )

[12:03] Tia Renfort: peace to all

[12:03] Qie Niangao: bye folks. have fun

[12:03] Lias Leandros: Ill transcribe the meeting and send out the agenda for next week to the group

[12:04] Counter Landfall: bye all

[12:04] colleen Criss: thank you for the gesture of good will with Ginette

[12:04] Lias Leandros: see you Qie

[12:04] Counter Landfall: np ;-)

[12:04] Zada Bury: see you next week

[12:04] colleen Criss: take care :)

[12:04] Silvanus Northman: btw, I made a 16 prim MAP of Zindra, the resolution is 4096x4096, anyone wants it?

[12:05] Counter Landfall: please

[12:05] Zada Bury: mmm sure

[12:05] Silvanus Northman: ok

[12:05] Counter Landfall: I'll place it over at the ZA office and in the age verify zone

[12:06] colleen Criss: ty Sil :)

[12:06] Silvanus Northman: yw : )

[12:06] Counter Landfall: I need to log, see you all soon

[12:06] Silvanus Northman: so hope I didnt oversee someone

[12:06] Ryk Starsider: Cheers Sil

[12:06] colleen Criss: take care

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