The Wrap: Nov 15th Community Meeting Answers

[11:01] Blondin Linden: hate to do this but I can only stay for 30 minutes today

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1. BED FAIR - http://bedfair.blogspot.com/ (Lias Leandros)

[11:03] Blondin Linden: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: oo lol you beat me
[11:03] colleen Criss: she is waiting approval
[11:03] colleen Criss: from you
[11:04] colleen Criss: time was chosen before Ginette decioded upon her time last week
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: has the proposal bene done with the criteria of the Island Events procedure?>
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: because as of last week,m lias claimed that process was nonsense

[11:05] Blondin Linden: So, of course, I'd love to see even more detail but I like where your going . Right off the bat though - I'm gunna ask that you consider pushing the dates back by 2 weeks.
[11:05] Blondin Linden: To give time for GInette and the Art Maze to conclude
[11:05] colleen Criss: well we can negoicate times
[11:05] colleen Criss: Counter has April and summer is not a good time for large scale events in SL so it will have to have a October Set up time and a november event date
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin..events shoudl hjave abt 3 months average for proper buildup....thats the point of it being a big event, whatever it is
[11:06] colleen Criss: in order to get vendors build set up etc
[11:06] colleen Criss: Gina let Blondin run his mtg
[11:07] Blondin Linden: I do think that you'll need a bit more time in planning this all out which is why details are always a good thing.
[11:07] colleen Criss: are those times acceptable for you Blondin?

[11:08] Blondin Linden: next novemebr?

[11:11] Blondin Linden: ok Colleen, keep work with Lias on it. SOme things I'd still like to see: - include details about Prim needs, land Management, Membership, Group roles and abilities
[11:11] Blondin Linden: and Include a land-use plan (as best as possible at an early stage). This could be a basic diagram and/or well-written explanation.
[11:11] colleen Criss: yes Blondin will do :) ty
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2. Age Verification Kiosks (Colleen Criss)

[11:13] Blondin Linden: So a while back - there was a team working on getting verification into the viewer

[11:13] Blondin Linden: but things happened :) and other issues took priority

[11:14] Blondin Linden: apparently, it's a big deal that'll need both server and viewer work
[11:14] colleen Criss: I have a list on the site of potential HUBS
[11:14] colleen Criss: since it is a PG kiosk
[11:14] Blondin Linden: so I've been sending emails and setting up meetings trying to figure how we (LL) could get this done.

[11:14] Blondin Linden: I'm trying to push the issue b/c I know its imporant
[11:15] Blondin Linden: so no promises

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3. Flickr Kiosk Rules (Blondin Linden)

[11:22] Blondin Linden: so there are some obvious moderation or rules that I think are generally approriate for this kind of thing.
[11:22] Blondin Linden: would u agree, that , in order to place more of these out, that the conent should be of mature nature?
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ie, non explicit?

[11:23] Counter Landfall: actually as neutral as possible
[11:23] Forceme Silverspar: As in PG neutral?
[11:23] Counter Landfall: so the same material could be used on signup
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:23] Blondin Linden: thanks counter - I agree.

11:24] Blondin Linden: I also think that anything that is purly advertizing for one business would be a slippery slope and after awhile - it'll be nothing but adds. So I think anythingn that is clearly an ad shouldnt be allowed.
[11:24] Blondin Linden: Yes?

[11:25] Blondin Linden: along that line - spam and general noise should be filtered out
[11:25] colleen Criss: define please?
[11:25] colleen Criss: an ad so nothing shot at your place of business or any place of business?
[11:25] colleen Criss: no event s at them etc?
[11:26] Counter Landfall: pure info on how to verify
[11:26] Blondin Linden: good point Colleen. I think theres a very blury line there

[11:28] Blondin Linden: Colleen , I think blantant ads will be very obvious.
[11:28] Blondin Linden: if you take pics of your event - thats more of a social setting
[11:28] colleen Criss: I agree with that
[11:28] colleen Criss: but if we hold an event we cant post those photos?

[11:29] Blondin Linden: I think you'd be able to .

[11:30] Blondin Linden: Yeah I'll work on it. THough I want you all to think of the issue of moderation. Not everyone is gunna know these guidless nor should we expect them to. Perhaps the best idea to keep it up to date is to have people here help with that.
[11:30] Blondin Linden: So think about that - if it makes sense
[11:30] Blondin Linden: other wise, we're going to have issues in scalability :)

Blondin's OH MTG Text 11/15/10

[10:51] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Toran Babenco (1m)[10:54] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Ginette Pinazzo (13m)[10:55] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Zada Bury (7m)[10:55] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Counter Landfall (19m)
[10:55] Zada Bury: greetings around
[10:55] Counter Landfall: Hi everyone
[10:55] Zada Bury: *~~silencepurr~~*
[10:55] colleen Criss: hello Counter, Zada, Ginette
[10:55] Ginette Pinazzo: oh, Hi Zada
[10:55] Zada Bury: not blue today you two?
[10:56] Counter Landfall: blue?
[10:56] Zada Bury: Toran and Colleen ^.^
[10:56] Zada Bury: last week was navi-time
[10:56] colleen Criss: Toran is brb to RL
[10:56] colleen Criss: oooo
[10:56] colleen Criss: lol
[10:56] colleen Criss: those were cool huh
[10:56] Zada Bury: I know them
[10:57] Zada Bury: but they are pretty expensive
[10:57] Zada Bury: one shop wanted 2k
[10:57] colleen Criss: we had fun with that
[10:57] colleen Criss: yes
[10:57] Zada Bury: at least as the movie was on
[10:59] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Kaddan Yue (13m)
[11:00] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Marideath Morpork (13m)
[11:00] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Forceme Silverspar (12m)
[11:00] Zada Bury: heya Forceme ^_^
[11:00] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Kaddan....Hi Force
[11:00] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: NikoKito Aries (7m)
[11:01] Forceme Silverspar: Hiya Zada, Ginette, everyone.
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Kaddan and Forceme
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Silvanus Northman (19m)
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Brenton Xaris (12m)
[11:01] Silvanus Northman: hi all,
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Qie Niangao (7m)
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Silvanus
[11:01] Zada Bury: oh, there over ... heya all the "newcome-inn-ers"
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hey all
[11:01] Marideath Morpork: hello
[11:01] Zada Bury: I see blondin
[11:01] Counter Landfall: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Forceme Silverspar: Hiya Blondin.
[11:01] Zada Bury: heya Blondin, welcome today
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Mari!
[11:01] Ginette Pinazzo: Hi Blondin
[11:01] Blondin Linden: hate to do this but I can only stay for 30 minutes today
[11:01] NikoKito Aries: hola
[11:01] NikoKito Aries: (es->en) hello
[11:01] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Dora Gustafson (13m)
[11:01] Blondin Linden: Im sorry
[11:01] Blondin Linden: :(
[11:01] Marideath Morpork: Hello Gina
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: Hi Dora : )
[11:02] colleen Criss: hello everyone :)
[11:02] Counter Landfall: np
[11:02] Blondin Linden: so with that inmind, we should dive into the agenda
[11:02] Zada Bury: well ... next week then 90 minutes ^.^
[11:02] Ginette Pinazzo: ok lets dive!
[11:02] Zada Bury: yes, hurry
[11:02] Blondin Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Blondin_Linden's_Zindra_Office_Hour_Agenda
[11:02] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Tia Renfort (13m)
[11:02] Forceme Silverspar: Run!
[11:02] Blondin Linden: First up was by :ias
[11:02] Blondin Linden: Lias
[11:02] colleen Criss: Ill rep for her if that is ok
[11:02] Silvanus Northman: hi tia : )
[11:02] Blondin Linden: is she here?
[11:02] Tia Renfort: hello everyone
[11:02] colleen Criss: she had rl to tend
[11:03] Blondin Linden: understandable
[11:03] Tia Renfort: hello Sil
[11:03] Blondin Linden: Sure Colleen, do u want to tell us about the BEd Faire?
[11:03] Blondin Linden: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: http://bedfair.blogspot.com/2010/10/bed-fair-proposal-for-zindra-linden.html
[11:03] colleen Criss: oo lol you beat me
[11:03] colleen Criss: she is waiting approval
[11:03] colleen Criss: from you
[11:04] colleen Criss: time was chosen before Ginette decioded upon her time last week
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: has the proposal bene done with the criteria of the Island Events procedure?>
[11:04] Ginette Pinazzo: because as of last week,m lias claimed that process was nonsense
[11:04] colleen Criss: open the link
[11:04] colleen Criss: you can see
[11:05] colleen Criss: keep your stones Gina , she has her proposal up
[11:05] colleen Criss: open the link
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: do not talk abt stones, colleen...remain professional
[11:05] colleen Criss: lol
[11:05] Blondin Linden: So, of course, I'd love to see even more detail but I like where your going . Right off the bat though - I'm gunna ask that you consider pushing the dates back by 2 weeks.
[11:05] Blondin Linden: To give time for GInette and the Art Maze to conclude
[11:05] colleen Criss: well we can negoicate times
[11:05] colleen Criss: Counter has April and summer is not a good time for large scale events in SL so it will have to have a October Set up time and a november event date
[11:06] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin..events shoudl hjave abt 3 months average for proper buildup....thats the point of it being a big event, whatever it is
[11:06] colleen Criss: in order to get vendors build set up etc
[11:06] colleen Criss: Gina let Blondin run his mtg
[11:07] Blondin Linden: I do think that you'll need a bit more time in planning this all out which is why details are always a good thing.
[11:07] colleen Criss: are those times acceptable for you Blondin?
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: and coubntyerd oesnt 'have' arpil.......he has not doen his actual proposal yet
[11:07] colleen Criss: shoot for novemeber then?
[11:07] Ginette Pinazzo: *counmter
[11:07] colleen Criss: Gina,
[11:08] colleen Criss: dont speak for oter ppl
[11:08] colleen Criss: wait your turn
[11:08] Blondin Linden: next novemebr?
[11:08] Qie Niangao: confused: I'm seeing a February date on the proposal... ??
[11:08] colleen Criss: yes Blondin :)
[11:08] Ginette Pinazzo: I am speaking for the procvess that was agreed upon.....proposal first, then approval....simple order
[11:08] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Youri Ashton (7m)
[11:08] colleen Criss: Lias is willing to take her turn
[11:08] colleen Criss: NOT all agreed Gina
[11:08] colleen Criss: do your own thing
[11:08] colleen Criss: Im speaking with Blondin
[11:09] Blondin Linden: Counter - the Zexpo you want to plan for April - how much build up time / prep will you need?[11:09] Counter Landfall: since the vent is only for a werek, max 3 weeks before is good
[11:09] Counter Landfall: wek*
[11:09] colleen Criss: Qie, that was Lias original date but it was taken by Gina
[11:09] Counter Landfall: week* - I think my keyboard is stuck, haha
[11:10] Youri Ashton: hello all!
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: colleen...stop lyinmbg in public..your facsta re wronmg[11:10] Youri Ashton: hey blondin :)
[11:10] colleen Criss: Gina
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: colleen
[11:10] colleen Criss: youre going to mute any second now
[11:10] colleen Criss: I never lie
[11:10] colleen Criss: tend your biz
[11:10] Ginette Pinazzo: well youve bene misled by lias, sorry.......
[11:10] colleen Criss: stop harrassing me :)
[11:10] Qie Niangao: oh, thanks colleen... but I thought it just had to push 2 weeks to make room... then after the Bed thing, Counter's thing
[11:10] colleen Criss: NOT your biz again Gina
[11:11] Blondin Linden: ok Colleen, keep work with Lias on it. SOme things I'd still like to see: - include details about Prim needs, land Management, Membership, Group roles and abilities
[11:11] Blondin Linden: and Include a land-use plan (as best as possible at an early stage). This could be a basic diagram and/or well-written explanation.
[11:11] colleen Criss: yes Blondin will do :) ty
[11:11] Youri Ashton: calm down already, no need for a cat fight ^_^
[11:11] colleen Criss: never cat fight :) Im a lady
[11:11] Blondin Linden: also take a look at your timeline and adjust as needed.
[11:11] Blondin Linden: ok
[11:11] Blondin Linden: moving on
[11:11] colleen Criss: yes we will ty :)
[11:11] Blondin Linden: next
[11:12] Blondin Linden: Age Verification Kiosks
[11:12] Blondin Linden: THis was a COlleen item
[11:12] colleen Criss: Ive updated those again
[11:12] Blondin Linden: I'll admit, this one is my bad
[11:12] Blondin Linden: oh you have/[
11:12] Blondin Linden: great
[11:12] colleen Criss: yes
[11:12] colleen Criss: V2 will drop a folder
[11:12] colleen Criss: v1 opens the web
[11:12] Youri Ashton: age vervication kiosks?
[11:13] Youri Ashton: lol, i been away too long i see :p\
[11:13] Blondin Linden: information on how to verify
[11:13] Forceme Silverspar: I am confused. Are there two kiosks going about?
[11:13] colleen Criss: Ill pass you one Blondin
[11:13] Youri Ashton: i understood that blondin
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[11:13] Blondin Linden: So a while back - there was a team working on getting verification into the viewer
[11:13] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Redlag Mayo (7m)
[11:13] Items successfully shared.
[11:13] Youri Ashton: ah ok
[11:13] Blondin Linden: but things happened :) and other issues took priority
[11:14] Blondin Linden: apparently, it's a big deal that'll need both server and viewer work
[11:14] MystiTool HUD 1.3.0-freebie: Entering chat range: Skygirl Kline (19m)
[11:14] colleen Criss: I have a list on the site of potential HUBS
[11:14] colleen Criss: since it is a PG kiosk
[11:14] Blondin Linden: so I've been sending emails and setting up meetings trying to figure how we (LL) could get this done.
[11:14] Silvanus Northman: well colleen, no Adult adverts on PG I hope
[11:14] Youri Ashton: it should indeed work both on server as viewer, else its useless :p
[11:14] Blondin Linden: I'm trying to push the issue b/c I know its imporant
[11:14] colleen Criss: no but it could go to G
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Blondin, this one that coleen has done does the same job but less than the Flickr Slideshow kiosk.
[11:15] Blondin Linden: so no promises
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Is that right?
[11:15] Forceme Silverspar: Seems to me two products are being developed to do the same job, I am confused?
[11:15] colleen Criss: mine can be set down anywhere
[11:16] colleen Criss: 1 script
[11:16] colleen Criss: 4 prims
[11:16] colleen Criss: no visuals
[11:16] Counter Landfall: untextured?
[11:16] Ginette Pinazzo: actually, if its poitning to that wiki page, the slideshow kisok always had that as one iof its 3 'inrofmnation balls'[11:16] Forceme Silverspar: Can we not have one big ZINDRA product? Wouldn't that work better?
[11:16] Forceme Silverspar: Than two that might confuse the new folks?
[11:16] Blondin Linden: not quite. This one gives info on how to verify and while the FLickr one does as well, its more of a....picture show to raise awareness
[11:17] Ginette Pinazzo: hey if theres room at infohubs for both, why not?
[11:17] Forceme Silverspar: The coleen one is slimline version, then.
[11:17] Qie Niangao: (colleen, does the content come from the kiosk itself, or a central server?)
[11:17] colleen Criss: this can be set out on M HUBs
[11:17] colleen Criss: the kiosk
[11:17] Silvanus Northman: both version have its goodies
[11:17] colleen Criss: by folder
[11:17] colleen Criss: or by web
[11:18] colleen Criss: we were told we could not have a server one
[11:18] Forceme Silverspar: I think it would have more impact if it wasjust one product. Just my view eh.
[11:18] Qie Niangao: oh right
[11:18] Blondin Linden: ok lets keep truckin!
[11:18] Blondin Linden: next :)
[11:18] colleen Criss: this never needs one anyhow as long as wiki stays upto date
[11:18] Qie Niangao: (forgot, sorry. just thinking of the pain to update content if it's local)
[11:18] Youri Ashton: that kiosk should work on LL servers, not any other way. that gives more savety to all
[11:18] Ginette Pinazzo: (dotnm forget to mark action items for the agenda for teh wiki, Blondin!)
[11:18] Blondin Linden: Flickr Group Pool Content Standards
[11:19] Blondin Linden: so, now that the group is set up - we should prob talk about moderation
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: you were going to come back witha darft on that, Blondin
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: *draft
[11:20] Blondin Linden: so I have some ideas kicking around
[11:20] Youri Ashton: strange question perhaps, but did any of you think about disabilities yet? enough people with disabilities like to join in as well @ Zindra, but can not due to the lack of disability aid.
[11:21] Blondin Linden: well - first - can we agree that the it'll need some sort of moderation? DOes anyone disagree with that?
[11:21] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree
[11:21] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:21] Silvanus Northman: will keep that in mind Youri, ty
[11:21] colleen Criss: agrees
[11:21] Youri Ashton: its just a matter of time before more groups of people with disabilities join SL and join your communities
[11:22] colleen Criss: Youri , :) good idea create a propoal, if you need help let any of us know :)
[11:22] Blondin Linden: so there are some obvious moderation or rules that I think are generally approriate for this kind of thing.
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: (youri....good topic..if it is Zindra related, you shoudl get that on the agenda for an upcmingh meeting)
[11:22] Youri Ashton: and I was not even speaking about things like autism, but more like wheelchair friendly places and for people with visual disabilities
[11:22] colleen Criss: listens for Blondin
[11:22] Blondin Linden: would u agree, that , in order to place more of these out, that the conent should be of mature nature?
[11:22] Youri Ashton: ginette, hardly have the time myself, just on since i had some time to spare :)
[11:23] Blondin Linden: ie, non explicit?
[11:23] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Blondin
[11:23] colleen Criss: agrees Blondin
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes Blondin
[11:23] Counter Landfall: actually as neutral as possible
[11:23] Forceme Silverspar: As in PG neutral?
[11:23] Counter Landfall: so the same material could be used on signup
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes
[11:23] Blondin Linden: thanks counter - I agree.
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[11:24] Blondin Linden: I also think that anything that is purly advertizing for one business would be a slippery slope and after awhile - it'll be nothing but adds. So I think anythingn that is clearly an ad shouldnt be allowed.
[11:24] Blondin Linden: Yes?
[11:24] Qie Niangao: yes
[11:24] Silvanus Northman: yep
[11:24] Youri Ashton: I think LL should not bother taking over the work done by the residents on mature/adult matters. Although working genitals could work for example.
[11:25] Counter Landfall: agreed
[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: Hmm....
[11:25] Blondin Linden: along that line - spam and general noise should be filtered out[
11:25] colleen Criss: define please?
[11:25] Forceme Silverspar: I think that's gonna be hard to police.
[11:25] Youri Ashton: besides that, if LL took over, it most likely would be killed by the laws LL has to obay, which rather kills everything
[11:25] Ginette Pinazzo: I agree Blondin...whoelheartedly
[11:25] colleen Criss: an ad so nothing shot at your place of business or any place of business?
[11:25] colleen Criss: no event s at them etc?
[11:26] Counter Landfall: pure info on how to verify
[11:26] Blondin Linden: good point Colleen. I think theres a very blury line there
[11:26] Forceme Silverspar: I don't see what insentive people would have to upload their pics.
[11:26] Ginette Pinazzo: Moderation is like Curating an art show....certain standards would be upheld.....thats normal
[11:26] Silvanus Northman: yes colleen no business, just to make them curious for adult
[11:26] Counter Landfall: and what you could expect to find there - in general terms[11:26] Silvanus Northman: : ) ty counter
[11:26] colleen Criss: how do you propose to generate business then for Zindra? if no one knows what is here?
[11:26] colleen Criss: I think no XXX is a great idea
[11:27] colleen Criss: no nudity even
[11:27] Silvanus Northman: well we dont speak about business now colleen, we speak about SL and its Adult part
[11:27] colleen Criss: but we have a gallery
[11:27] Kaddan Yue: is this not a adult sim, so now we are going to be bias
[11:27] Youri Ashton: would it not be better to leave the policing to a special admin group made out of residents? that havve the ability to kick, freeze and return items when needed.
[11:27] Blondin Linden: Forceme - there is no REAL incentive other than simply sharing your time/experience on ZIndra with others. THose who are into that will be happy to post w/o getting something in return.
[11:27] Silvanus Northman: adverts can be done by well organized private slideshows...
[11:28] Blondin Linden: Colleen , I think blantant ads will be very obvious.
[11:28] Youri Ashton: they could handle also foul language use for example IF the owner of that land disallowes that in that sim/land or however stated
[11:28] Forceme Silverspar: Thank you Blondin, I can see that. I have uploaded some of my pics :0
[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: if it helps, view it as an art show.......sort of....not an advertising vehcile
[11:28] Blondin Linden: if you take pics of your event - thats more of a social setting
[11:28] colleen Criss: I agree with that
[11:28] colleen Criss: but if we hold an event we cant post those photos?
[11:29] Forceme Silverspar: Depends if it is a clead Ad?
[11:29] Forceme Silverspar: Clear.
[11:29] colleen Criss: sorry laggin terribly
[11:29] Youri Ashton: LL won't have to do much more then helping out with the harder cases, incase someone needs to be banned for example, and the people in zindra only need to bother with that policing group
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin....do you or will yuo have yur draft posted somewhere we can read? and think over?
[11:29] Blondin Linden: I think you'd be able to .
[11:29] Youri Ashton: takes preasure away from both sides
[11:29] colleen Criss: ok ty Blondin
[11:30] Kaddan Yue: So we are going Mature in other words, I so don't get this[11:30] Blondin Linden: Yeah I'll work on it. THough I want you all to think of the issue of moderation. Not everyone is gunna know these guidless nor should we expect them to. Perhaps the best idea to keep it up to date is to have people here help with that.
[11:30] Blondin Linden: So think about that - if it makes sense
[11:30] Blondin Linden: other wise, we're going to have issues in scalability :)
[11:31] Ginette Pinazzo: so whast the next step exactly?[11:31] colleen Criss: it does
[11:31] Youri Ashton: blondin, think you should take my idea in concideration. its both good for zindra as LL
[11:31] Blondin Linden: so I am actually out of time but let me take a look at the wiki and see if theres anything I should touch upon
[11:32] Blondin Linden: youri, Im thinking your on the right track
[11:32] Zada Bury: Before you hide fast: Thank you for the short time this week ... and see you next week, Blondin. =^_^=
[11:32] Youri Ashton: I know i am, lol. i did not randomly shout out something :)
[11:32] Blondin Linden: hahah
[11:32] Forceme Silverspar: Thanks Blondin, until next time.
[11:32] Youri Ashton: I been telling that from the start
[11:32] Youri Ashton: lol
[11:32] Blondin Linden: I think the rest can wait.
[11:32] Blondin Linden: Thanks all
[11:32] Blondin Linden: ttyl
[11:32] Counter Landfall: cheers
[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: ciao
[11:32] colleen Criss: ty
[11:32] Zada Bury: *purrs*
[11:32] Qie Niangao: thanks Blondin
[11:32] Silvanus Northman: ty Blondin : )
[11:32] Youri Ashton: thanks for having us blondin
[11:32] Redlag Mayo: bye Blondin

Suggested Charter for Zexpo Group

Zindra Expo Group Charter

Zexpo Group was formed to allow Zindra Residents to join when they are creating a event using any of the Linden islands in Zindra. Also people joined to get updates of the progress of these Linden Island events.

At no time in the history of SL has a Linden Lab employee claim to be the owner of a SL 'community group' or encourage residents to go out and recruit other residents to join a Linden-run 'community group' to create some 'official' information channel for everyone on a mainland continent and control the flow of information to a region.

ZE is a Linden-run group that works intelligently to bring positive EVENT proposals to fruition.



SUGGESTED TEXT FOR CHARTER

Zindra Expo is the Linden group for Linden land management in Zindra. This group is used by Blondin Linden to grant temporary land rights to residents working together on approved events using Linden Land. Please feel free to join the group to get updates on Linden-approved events in Zindra.

Anonymous Agenda Items at the Community Meeting

There have been some agenda items added this week that are anonymous or attributed to a group.

People have to add their SL name to their agenda items. I believe anonymous agenda items should not be discussed. If you feel you have had too many agenda items or you do not want to stand behind your agenda item then ask someone else to present it for you on the wiki.
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The most recent anonymous changes (depicted in red below) were made by Ginette P.
Please sign your name to your agenda items. Thank you.

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UPDATE November 10th

One anonymous agenda item was claimed by Ginette. Two others remain anonymous.

Letter to Blondin regarding Ginette soliciting members for his Land Management Group

Blondin, ginette has joined the Zindra Alliance group and is sending this notecard to every member in that group (poaching members) to get them to join your Land Management group under the false pretense that your land management group is a community group for Zindra. It seems very innapropriate for a resident to recruit residents for a Linden's Group in this manner.

-Lias Leandros

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THE NOTECARD GINETTE IS SPAMMING OUT ALL OVER ZINDRA


Zindra Expo Group Charter
To reflect upon the group's evolving and more dynamic mission, We propose new text for the Zindra Expo group's charter. ZE was initially formed to plan the ZEXPO, and then went on to address other non-event issues (such as Zindra Sim and more), We believe the need for a group that offers chances to work directly with LL on many initiatives, including events, is a wonderful opportunity for those interested in a mutually beneficial relationship. Not designed as a private or 'community group' ZE is a Linden-run group that works intelligently to bring positive proposals to fruition.

SUGGESTED TEXT FOR CHARTER....'
Zindra Expo is the Linden group for residents working with LL to benefit, promote and develop the 'adult continent' of Zindra. Let's hear your fresh and innovative ideas!
Weekly meetings: Monday 11AM Office Hours with Blondin Linden at the Bronlen Cafe.
Bronlen (128,224,74)
Please join this collective and keep participating for the future of Zindra.

Letter sent to Blondin regarding Ginette soliciting in Zexpo group and shouting down & threatening

Again Ginette is spamming the Zexpo group soliciting for Island proposals in your name. When I pointed out to her that we already have 3 (two of which wantthe same time frame) She started her usual threats. When I tried to discuss with her privately she refused.

That is a public chat group to discuss these island events. When someone decides to make announcements then everyone has the right to discuss those announcements. Ginette does not seem to understand that concept.

This sent to Zexpo Group.

[11:32] Ginette Pinazzo: ISLAND EVENTS WANTED........ Hello! Blondin has announced that he is ready to look at proposals for Zexpo Island Seasonal Events at upcoming meetings. Anyone who has a unique idea and can draft a good proposal for it can submit. Here is the exact proposal process: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zexpo-island-seasonal-events-campaign For an example of a finished proposal, here is one: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/art-maze-2011 if anyone wants feedback or proposal help, I'd be happy to lend an ear or hand
[11:34] Lias Leandros: The only time left for the island use in 2011 is the summer (May, June July, August) - So plan accordingly
[11:36] Ginette Pinazzo: not true..the only event approved so far is the current one....after feb the entire year is still open.....feel free to submit proposals, evryone
[11:37] Lias Leandros: There is April for UnZipped
[11:37] Lias Leandros: and I have BED FAIR for Februaray but you announced after I did that you want Februaray also
[11:37] Lias Leandros: so One of us has to move to September
[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: unzipped has not been approved yet...proposals coem first......anywya....TTFN
[11:37] Lias Leandros: (probably you)
[11:37] Lias Leandros: that leaves the summer
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: keep spamming this group IM lias and undermining this initiativge and its not going to end well........please refrain for this behavior
[11:39] Lias Leandros: No need to promote chaos Ginette - and the community does not need you to ask for a glut of proposals so there is hard feelings over the island uses
[11:39] Lias Leandros: you are purposely trying to cause confusion and in-fighting
[11:39] Ratatosk Independent: For crying out loud! Knock it of Lias Leandros!
[11:40] Lias Leandros: You should knock it off Rat
[11:40] Lias Leandros: this is a group chat that we can chat in
[11:40] Lias Leandros: you do know that muting someone stops you from seeing their chat
[11:41] Ratatosk Independent: I refrain strongly from being called names. You have no idea what so ever what my name signifies.
[11:41] Lias Leandros: the islands can only sustain 4 events a year - there are three already on the table - Two of which have chosen the same times
[11:41] Lias Leandros: no need to cause more confusion
[11:41] Ginette Pinazzo: then mute us all Lia...so you dotn have anything to troll about
[11:41] Lias Leandros: I donbt mind the chatrter - TRat is the one having issues
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Private IM with Ginette

[11:46] Lias Leandros: [11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: keep spamming this group IM lias and undermining this initiativge and its not going to end well........please refrain for this behavior
[11:46] Lias Leandros: I report all of these public threats you make
[11:46] Lias Leandros: Blondin already tolsd you to stop
[11:46] Lias Leandros: you cantsend out public notices and expect no one to respond
[11:46] Ginette Pinazzo: MUTE
[11:46] Lias Leandros: lol
[11:46] Lias Leandros: Ill save this also
[11:47] Lias Leandros: SO from now on you should not be addressing me
[11:47] Lias Leandros: and this shows you refuse to discuss anything without an audience

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Private IM with Rat

-- Instant message logging enabled --
[11:53] Lias Leandros: You should show a little more self control being a mentor. 3 Events on a sim that can only have 4 events in a year does not need constant spamming to get more and more events on it for 2011. COmmon sense.
[11:54] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:54] Lias Leandros: its not trolling when you are in a public group
[11:54] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:54] Lias Leandros: you and Ginette wantto yell in public but wont talk in private
[11:54] Lias Leandros: you seem to need an audience for your temper tantrums
[11:54] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:55] Lias Leandros: I'll send this to Blondin also along with the other 'chat' to show you and Ginette just want to shout people down
[11:55] Lias Leandros: and not discuss
[11:55] Lias Leandros: its an obvious ploy
[11:55] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:55] Lias Leandros: As expected
[11:55] Lias Leandros: You have no desire to resolve any issues or mute anyone you do not want to hear in a group chat
[11:56] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:56] Lias Leandros: you just want to stop any conversatiopn you do not agree with
[11:56] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:56] Lias Leandros: Blondin will receive this to see that amnny mediation will not work because of your agenda
[11:56] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:56] Lias Leandros: try that mute buttom next time
[11:56] Lias Leandros: it works

[11:58] Ratatosk Independent: You have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to say to contribute to ANYTHING what so ever. The ONLY thing you achieve is to make a fool out of yourself. So...
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:59] Lias Leandros: Ill tell Blondin you said so
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:59] Lias Leandros: you dont mind Ginette's spamming the same thing every day
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.
[11:59] Lias Leandros: but you dont want anyone to respond negatively
[11:59] Ratatosk Independent: Go troll somebody else.

The Wrap: November 8th Zindra Community meeting Agenda wrap

The agenda from last week has been wiped off of the Wiki by Blondin. So if you want your agenda items discussed you will need to add them once more.
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How to edit the wiki agenda chart to add your agenda items.

The chart is difficult to work with so here is an explanation you can use to cut and paste into the agenda if you have any agenda items.

1. Go to
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Blondin_Linden's_Zindra_Office_Hour_Agenda

2. Sign in using your Second Life name and password.

3. Click the EDIT tab

4. Use the following lay-out to post your agenda item.

|-
|SUBJECT OF YOUR AGENDA ITEM || YOUR NAME || URL TO WEBSITE OR BLOG ABOUT SUBJECT ||JIRA # || IS THIS NEW OR OLD BUSINESS || EXPLAIN YOUR AGENDA ITEM || |-

add that before the final mark |} at the bottom of the chart
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WIKI MESSAGE FROM BLONDIN:
11:03] Blondin Linden: First thing I want to say is, i keep forgetting to deleted and update each week and thats my fault
[11:03] Blondin Linden: in terms of the agenda
[11:03] Blondin Linden: so after each meeting, I'm gunna take everything thats on there and delete it , re date it and let people fill in from there
[11:04] Blondin Linden: b/c I was jsut looking it over and it's getting pretty lengthy :)

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1. Flickr Slideshow Kiosk: report (Ginette)
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Up First, Flickr sliude show
[11:05] Blondin Linden: Sil was nice enough to join me while I planted them out on the Zindra infohubs
[11:05] Blondin Linden: things seem to be working well ya?
[11:05] Ginette Pinazzo: placesd at Podyan and Zindra sim

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2. Podyan / Zindra name switch (Ginette)
NOT ADDRESSED
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3. Art Maze: Next Steps (Ginette)
NOT ADDRESSED
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4. Zindra Mentor Team: Brainstorming Report (Ginette)
NOT ADDRESSED
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5. Age Verification Kiosks at InfoHubs (Colleen)
NOT ADDRESSED
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6. Age Verify Wiki: update (Blondin)
NOT ADDRESSED
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7. Guest Speakers (ForceMe)
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8. Secretary or No? (Blondin)

NOT ADDRESSED
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9. Process of having Guest Speakers (ForceMe)

NOT ADDRESSED
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10. BED FAIR Proposal (Lias)

NOT ADDRESSED - BACK ON THE AGENDA
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11. Naughty Snowman Proposal (Zindra Alliance)
[11:52] Blondin Linden: next item, moving from the bottom up still - The ZA's SNowman building contest
[11:52] Blondin Linden: was there an update from last week guys?
[11:52] Pagan Sunburn: no mopre megas?
[11:52] Ginette Pinazzo: I have a few thinsg to say abt it..haha
[11:52] Counter Landfall: there was an update sent to ZA
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we have issued a ticket in the support system about the sim texture and ice on the water
[11:53] Counter Landfall: and I need to have a discussion with you about practicalities around rezzing
[11:53] Forceme Silverspar: Is there a procedure to the Zindra sim to be dished out or is it grab it if ya got an idea?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: we also drafted some rules, but not there yet
[11:53] Ginette Pinazzo: seesm ZA is palnning a month-long event on Zindra sim? did I get that right?
[11:53] Counter Landfall: yes Ginette
[11:54] Counter Landfall: so more detials next week
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: forgive mne quoting but.......
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: [11:51] Blondin Linden: so Counter, here is an idea. Have the snowman building contest and ask people to build on their land. Then, when you are ready to judge, we'll make it so we can place them all out on ZIndra
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: thats not a month-long event
[11:54] Counter Landfall: wahtever Ginette
[11:54] Forceme Silverspar: No paper work needed for Zindra sim use Blondin or is there a procedure like the four sims?
[11:54] Counter Landfall: we want it to be a month
[11:54] Lias Leandros: a buld contest takes place on the build contest area - as usual
[11:54] Ginette Pinazzo: we dont have a Zindra sim events process yet......this is not appropriate...the way its being done
[11:55] Qie Niangao: oh, oh! important to ask: is LL planning an annual "Winter Faire" again as usual? And if so, can we link the snowman thing to it, as a kind of "fringe festival" ?
[11:55] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin...this system is being abused and I dotn see why anyone would take it seriosuly.....
[11:56] Blondin Linden: We are in fact planning a winterfest. More details in the December's Sandbox newsletter
[11:57] Counter Landfall: we will make a proper proposal for him, ok?
[11:57] Lias Leandros: Gientte sent out a 'proposal' to Counter to get him to allow her to be involvbed on a management level forthis event and when he turned her down she now sits here trying to degrade the event
[11:58] Blondin Linden: Well, how about next week we hear more from the ZA about what they want to do and decide from there

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12. Permanent bridge in the Distrel sim (Blondin)
[11:49] Counter Landfall: the idea is that it will connect the sims and not every exhibitor have to make a bridge
[11:50] Blondin Linden: fair enough.
[11:50] BBQBill Odriscoll: I like it
[11:50] Ginette Pinazzo: Blondin.....is it even relevant...soem events may not need the bridge?
[11:50] Blondin Linden: Ill ask Micheal to see if he has soething in stock or if a Mole can do it
[11:50] Counter Landfall: great
[11:51] Blondin Linden: Ginette, if it becomes a problem, then I can always take the bridge temporarily and then put it back
[11:51] Ginette Pinazzo: makes sense

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13. Zindra unZipped EXPO proposal (Zindra Alliance)
[11:43] Blondin Linden: Next item is the Zindra Unziped
[11:44] Blondin Linden: this from the Zindra Alliance?
[11:44] Counter Landfall: no progress on content, just a reservation for the sim
[11:44] Counter Landfall: yes it is
[11:44] Blondin Linden: I'm going to ask that you do up a proposal
[11:44] Ginette Pinazzo: if counter follows the actual Island Events proposal procedure, like anyone,
[11:44] Lias Leandros: please
[11:44] Lias Leandros: Ginette you didnt follow trhatstandard with your art maze
[11:44] colleen Criss: who created the events proposal procedure please?
[11:45] Ginette Pinazzo: Counter the guideliens or on the Island actually if you need them....or a NC I can pass
[11:45] Blondin Linden: it was discussed here
[11:45] Lias Leandros: thats nonsense
[11:45] Blondin Linden: and I took it back internally and we discussed
[11:45] Lias Leandros: and no one is agreeing that anyone on their production team has to be in SL for a year or they cant be on th eteam
[11:45] Lias Leandros: discusses is not agreed upon Blondin
[11:45] Counter Landfall: hand it to me and I will do the procedure, but not this week

[11:47] Blondin Linden: But - April is so far ahead of the game, the ZA wont have a problem reserving it

[11:48] Blondin Linden: Its not a form to fill out. THe point of it is to get those who are proposing an event to think about the details. Thats all.

[11:49] colleen Criss: but its on Ginettes site and not your wiki?
[11:49] Lias Leandros: and it was certainly NOT accepted as the procedure

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14. Flickr Group Content Standards (Ginette)
[11:43] Blondin Linden: I agree that some standards neeed to be put in place. Ill take a crack at this this week and come back with a draft
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15. Meetings & Transcripts (JeZeBeLe Dagger)

[11:35] Ginette Pinazzo: This is really a revisit of the topic of meeting minutes/.recaps etc and I share the frustration of Jeze and others. Long transcripts are not what most people have time for, and they are not a replacement for a simple recap. Last we left off, there was no official recap process except putting the recap on the agenda wiki, but that backfired. Resident-run groups, like ZA, were told they could pass recaps along in their groups, and thats great (if they are accurate), but the OH itself doesnt have an official recap procedure. Not yet.

[11:36] colleen Criss: if you want official it has to go to Blondins Wiki huh

[11:37] Ginette Pinazzo: wahtever we do, if its not coming from LL, Blondin, or an LL group, its not 'official'....simpel enough concept
[11:37] Lias Leandros: it des not have to be 'officia' Ginette
[11:37] Qie Niangao: honestly, ideally, Blondin himself would maintain a public record of decisions made, action items taken, topics completed.
[11:37] Lias Leandros: we arent employees
[11:37] Counter Landfall: why are you so hung up on official Ginette?
[11:38] Counter Landfall: :-)
[11:38] colleen Criss: official is YOUR word Ginette no one else uses it
[11:38] Zada Bury: the "wrap" was a useful thing
[11:38] Ginette Pinazzo: we all witnessed edits and even made-up material or destrcutive commentary in 'minutes' sent out in resident run groups.....thats not a replacement for anythng offcial
[11:38] Lias Leandros: pasting the exact chat from Blondin that is in the transcript seems fair
[11:38] Silvanus Northman: official means that it passes instances
[11:38] Lias Leandros: this way no words are changed
[11:38] Dancer Greenfield: I agree that the result protocol should come from a Linden (sorry Blondin) rather than one of us
[11:38] Kaddan Yue: because that is what matters it coming official
[11:38] Forceme Silverspar: When we want stuff from LL like their sims and stuff, there has to be some sort of official doesn't there?
[11:39] colleen Criss: I agree Ive had mine *edited* its wrong to do so
[11:39] Blondin Linden: Unfortuantely, I dont have the time to do that to the effect that most people want. I can try and jot down the action items on the wiki each week but I dont have the bandwidth to make full on reports available
[11:39] Lias Leandros: No Linden is going to sit down each week and go thru transcripst and find chat responses to specific questions
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: All we need is Agenda Item/Decision
[11:39] Lias Leandros: ts very easy to check back at the log from the trimestamp of teh wuote to make sure its correct
[11:39] Counter Landfall: why don't we appoint a secretary who publish the minutes and trnscrips
[11:39] Ginette Pinazzo: action items / bullet points ar eprobably what everyone would need most anyway
[11:39] BBQBill Odriscoll: Followed by the transcript
[11:40] Counter Landfall: and if there are errors, they get corrected at the next meeting
[11:40] Lias Leandros: we did that October 8th Counter
[11:40] Counter Landfall: pretty standard meeting procedure
[11:40] Counter Landfall: this is not government yet, or? ;-)
[11:40] BBQBill Odriscoll: First Yes. First item on the next agenda.
[11:40] Blondin Linden: ok. I'll try and do it this week. Take a look after we;re done here , on the wiki and let me know.

[11:41] Lias Leandros: on the October 8th Blondin and Counter dcided to have a Seretary posiytion in the ZA group and people could join that role and take turns doing exactly what Jezze just proposed this week
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: nio lias...thats ZA.....you were told you could pass recaps, but not the official secretary of ZE or LL
[11:42] Lias Leandros: its in the transcripts
[11:42] Counter Landfall: well it does not have to be someone in ZA, but I am happy to host that role of people want
[11:42] Lias Leandros: yes thats it Ginette
[11:42] Lias Leandros: All transcripts are posted
[11:42] Ginette Pinazzo: you read what you wanted to read, as suual...read it all
[11:42] Blondin Linden: and Lias, thats great for that group but what about htose who arent in it?
[11:42] Blondin Linden: anyway

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16. Zindra Survey (JeZeBeLe Dagger)
[11:27] Blondin Linden: sounds ok. ANy ideas on HOW to set it up?
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: in order to get surveys out to peoepl, you need an officlka distribution system
[11:27] Lias Leandros: anyone can survey
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: we are taking about getting info out continent-wide.....not abt more meetings
[11:27] Lias Leandros: there is no 'official' distribution available except just a survey machine you can buy off the Marketplace
[11:27] Ginette Pinazzo: Id encourage that you rethink the ZAP concept Blondin, sans the mentor angle....
[11:28] Ginette Pinazzo: its a way to get all of these things going....
[11:28] Lias Leandros: just set up a survey machine HERE and other ley points and get folks to use them
[11:28] Lias Leandros: the data goes t a website
[11:28] Counter Landfall: well there is a fundamental problem in reaching all the residents
[11:29] Lias Leandros: Jezze can do that if she chooses since its her concept
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: 'getting folks' is the issue.....only small percebnt will even use those machines...thats not comprehensive
[11:29] Counter Landfall: we dont have any easy way of mapping them
[11:29] Qie Niangao: somebody has to decide what questions to even ask on such surveys.
[11:29] Ginette Pinazzo: door-to-door ambassadors are comprehensive and human

[11:29] Blondin Linden: what kind of information are you looking for?

[11:32] Qie Niangao: "events, current affairs, and mainland concerns" -- whatever those mean, in specifics.
[11:32] Blondin Linden: Id suggest Media on a prim but I know a lot fo you dont use viewer 2

[11:33] Blondin Linden: details need to be worked out but I think its a positive step


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17. Mediators and Moderators (JeZeBeLe Dagger)
[11:13] Blondin Linden: http://jezebelesrealm.blogspot.com/2010/11/agenda-items-proposal-for-zindra-oh.html

[11:17] Blondin Linden: well, one thing we do for Bay City is rotate the times of which we meeting. One week its 1pm the next its 4pm. Granted, I can get confused sometimes and forget the times. but thats one option
[11:19] Lias Leandros: Mental Mentors or Metors Gone Wild would be a good fit to take on such a role
[11:19] Blondin Linden: Yeah GInette, its kinda hard to do that. SOme people arent going to recognize others as a moderate and if asked to leave, will sort of just ignore them
[11:19] Ginette Pinazzo: seems even more apparent right NOW mediator(s) are needed..haha
[11:20] Blondin Linden: So its difficult.
[11:20] Lias Leandros: ask to leave? lol

[11:20] Lias Leandros: mediators dont kick people out, lol
[11:20] Lias Leandros: yu are looking for a bouncer [11:20] Silvanus Northman waves at Hypatia [11:21] Lias Leandros: mediation would not happen here at the meeting
[11:21] Arcadia Sweetwater: then the moderators should have a tag showing they are moderators and a notification of their powers would be in order [11:21] Blondin Linden: I think the best bet Ginette would be to find an additional time for this meeting and alternate it week to week
11:22] Lias Leandros: Blondin you want to change your meeting time each week?
[11:22] Lias Leandros: wut?
[11:22] Ginette Pinazzo: maybe
[11:22] Counter Landfall: the problem is that if you run the meetings very much later, Europe will miss them
[11:22] Blondin Linden: that way, we get more people involved who may not be able to, or want to attend this particual meeting
[11:22] Lias Leandros: if you change the set time then you confuse people
[11:23] Lias Leandros: if you have two meetings then you will be making decisions at one meeting and different decisions at the other
[11:23] Counter Landfall: yes, and that will be more chaotic
[11:23] Dancer Greenfield: No time is perfect for everyone... people who want to be here but can't can at least send in their ideas in notecards
[11:24] Blondin Linden: no lias, its 1 meeting with two different times

[11:24] Lias Leandros: and two different audiences wth two different discussions
[11:24] BBQBill Odriscoll: I heard alternting times different weeks.
[11:24] Ginette Pinazzo: that would be 'increasing the talent pool' in a way
[11:24] Blondin Linden: all the more reason to processes and documentation

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18. Adult Search/Classifed/Button Issues (Aprille Shepherd)
[11:09] Blondin Linden: it seems that its a problem with the 1.23 veiwer
[11:09] Lias Leandros: oh
[11:10] Blondin Linden: If you want to vote on it - feel free, but Im not sure that it's going to ge the attention that she wants b/c its not in any of the 2.0 Viewers.
[11:10] Lias Leandros: ok s if its only 1.23 then its a non -issue I guess
[11:10] Blondin Linden: im pretty sure that all work has stopped on 1.23
[11:10] Counter Landfall: well, since half the grid is still on a version 1 viewer it needs attention
[11:11] Lias Leandros: she will test it on 2.1 I assume and get back to us
[11:11] Qie Niangao: well, but it's not actually a viewer issue, inasmuch as it worked up until recently